EmoTracker - customization-support

EmoTracker

Support / customization-support

JSON schemas for many types are available. https://emotracker.net/developers/schemas/items.json https://emotracker.net/developers/schemas/layouts.json https://emotracker.net/developers/schemas/locations.json There is also a composite schema available at https://emotracker.net/developers/schemas/all.json but it requires a certain amount of context to exist in the file before it can reliably determine which type of data you are editing. Please refer to the schemas before asking questions about available attributes. Additional supporting files and examples can be found at https://emotracker.net/developers/sdk/emotracker_sdk.zip

I remember it not being complete.

dont think so? I just search through emos pack or, if i know a feature exists and was mentioned here somewhere, search through this discord rooShrug

rooShrug

Oh well. No worries. I'll just bug everyone here with questions lol

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Speaking of which: What does this do "inherit_codes": false

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And why would I want to use this?

means that stage doesn't inherit the codes of previous stage(s)

09:03

can have various different applications

Thanks

09:11

Is there a way to "add" maps? Let's say I wanted to add a dungeon map for example and set locations inside. I'm curious as to what I can and can't do.

yeah just define more maps, load them, and add locations to that map

09:14

like https://github.com/Hamsda/OoTRMapTracker/blob/master/ootrando_overworldmap_hamsda/maps/maps.json all use the same image, but you can use any image for the map (edited)

09:14

like say light and dark world for lttp

Ok. Where do I add the locations?

just like all other locations https://github.com/Hamsda/OoTRMapTracker/blob/master/ootrando_overworldmap_hamsda/locations/overworld.json#L24 just that you reference your newly named map

x and y pixel coordinates? (edited)

ye

Sweet! Thank you so much!

09:21

I guess my last question would be: Can you do more with the tracker as a pack developer?

09:21

As far as customization is concerned

No.

09:22

That role is basically a marker for people who have published packages.

Gotcha.

09:23

Thanks

Question: What are "completion_rules"? For example, I see this in the LTTP Standard pack:

// Eastern Palace { "name": "Eastern Palace", "color": "#af0000", "access_rules": [ "[lamp]" ], "completion_rules": [ "lift1,firesource,boots" ],

That is actually dead code, and I will remove it. completion_rules was an experiment long ago, like, pre-alpha

10:31

I’m shocked that’s still in there

Interesting. That's good then. I was a bit confused with them. Just curious, what was the original intent of that?

It’s all been entirely absorbed into access_rules. There’s no missing functionality.

Is there a collapsible dock/window/container?

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Or a tabbed layout?

1) no 2) yes Lots of packs use the tabbed layout - ample references.

Thanks

Conveniently, the JSON schemas in the pins will also help you...

I'll check those out, thank you.

tabbed layout is very easy to use and very effective

Question, if a hosted item is not coded in yet, its hosting location won't show up?

That seems like a question you could answer yourself with a teensy bit of experimentation

I saw that happen and ask if that's normal

If a hosted item cannot be found, then there is no hosted item set on the location. So yes, it’s normal.

Hello, how can i make the background of the Broadcast View transparent?

Are you talking about for capture in OBS?

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Assuming you mean for capture in OBS: The intended way is to use EmoTracker's built in NDI support to bring your broadcast view into OBS/xSplit. The NDI feed will have a transparent background and thus look great in OBS. Details are here: https://emotracker.net/blog/2018/09/13/emotracker_2_1_release_notes/ (edited)

EmoTracker v2.1 Release Notes

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If for some reason, you cannot use NDI, you will have to deal with color/chromakey, and note that due to the way graphics are presented in EmoTracker, with nice drop shadows to make everything look cleaner, the color key in OBS will never look perfect.

oof. as part of my psuedo entrance rando support, I would need two icons with the same code. One ffor being hosted on the transition on map

07:03

One will be working like medallions in alttp

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you right click to cycle through what it is paired with

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And it doesn't seem to be working

You’re going to need to explain what you’re actually trying to do in more detail.

@stephen yes, obs! thx for your help. if you like, i can you send my obs layout

Well, I want to do 2 things, first is things in this gif

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10:06

each icon is 40x80, with right click toggling which entrance connects.

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This is done via progressive_toggle, similar to medallions in Alttp

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second thing I want to do is to have those transition location on the map, hosting an item, which is that particular transition.

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Which will be a 40x40 icon since it wouldn't care about what's on the other side.

Use two different codes, and write Lua to drive/sync your hosted items from/with your toggles.

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As far as I can tell, the hosted items are just indicators, so this is especially easy.

Okay.

10:19

It won't be a lua function right? It'll be a sceipt that I include in init.kua?

Correct, specifically by implementing the tracker_on_accessibility_updated callback function

Is there any example on how to use that?

Several packs use it, but literally you just define that function. It returns nothing and takes no parameters. It gets called when things are modified. There are examples in my pack of how to manipulate items from Lua.

Is using Tracker:FindObjectForCode on progressive toggle the same as toggle if I only want to know if a specific code is active?

If you want to know if a code is active, you don't need/want to use FindObjectForCode

oh... yeah. I totally done that before

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whew. it's working

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as a side effect (or a feature, is what I would say), I can't check those hosting location, as their item is not on the tracker

I'm not sure what you mean

the hosted item on the map doesn't exist on any of the item grid, so right clicking does nothing

Those two statements are unrelated

03:10

If you can't manipulate the hosted item, it's because you don't have access to it

Is there a way to "Always allow chest manipulation" by default?

Hi, all! I'm new to customising/building a pack, and I'm pretty sure I'm missing something obvious... Is there a way to get Characters and Key Items here aligned with the bottom of the screen, and Pinned Locations filling in to them, rather than pushing Chars/Key Items down the screen as things get pinned?

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So you want pinned locations in its current location and filling all available space, and your trackables to be at the bottom of the sidebar?

Yes, exactly.

Just wanted to nail that down as the objective, wouldn't know the first thing about doing it.

heh, okay.

You can use a dock element

heck yes map-enabled FF4FE tracker though

I assume you have that side by side group as an array

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wrap that and the pins in a dock

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set the dock location property to bottom for the side by side group

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and add the pins last to fill

The side-by-side is set up as groups right now -- like this:

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{ "type": "dock", "dock": "left", "v_alignment": "stretch", "content": [ { "type": "group", "header": "Pinned Locations", "dock": "top", "content": { "type": "recentpins", "style": "wrap", "h_alignment": "stretch", "v_alignment": "stretch", "orientation": "horizontal", "compact": true } }, { "type": "group", "header": "Characters", // "dock": "top", "v_alignment": "bottom", "content": { "type": "layout", "key": "char_grid" } }, { "type": "group", "header": "Key Items", //"dock": "top", "content": { "type": "layout", "key": "keyitem_grid" } }, ] },

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(I've been tearing apart a couple of other packs, but I've realyl only been working on this for a few hours and just kind of... fiddling... with things.)

okay, so yeah, you want to wrap those two linked groups in an array

Cool, okay.

and dock the array at bottom

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then make the pins the last entry in the outer dock's content list

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and remove the dock attribute from it

Ooh okay.

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Thanks!

np, good luck

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there are json schemas in the pinned messages that you might find helpful

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for use as reference for things

... Yup, I should have checked there first. XD Thank you!

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Perfect, thank you!

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Hmm. There's no way to define, like, two separate capture_item sets, is there?

Can you explain what you mean more clearly? What are you actually trying to do?

This is for FF4/Free Enterprise -- I'd like to be able to capture Characters for one set of locations where the character you'd pick up is visible beforehand, and I'd like to capture bosses for a second set of locations.

20:12

I'm guessing that EmoTracker only supports one itemgrid for captures? That tracker_capture_item is hardcoded to it.

Well, technically it's a layout, not necessarily just an item grid, but yes that's currently the case.

20:12

I can look into the possibility of allowing that to be changed per location.

20:12

But I wouldn't expect a solution on any particular timeline.

No, that's totally fair.

It's not a bad request, for sure, so I will definitely look into it at some point.

Cool, okay!

20:15

I also hadn't realised that it was a full layout, rather than just the itemgrid, so I'll take a look at how unwieldy it would be to put two grids in an array.

FYI, this request turned out to be extremely easy to implement, so it will be arriving with the next version (this weekend).

Neat. Now to learn if there's any other environment where this is useful.

Oh, awesome!

22:57

... This is like me with FF6 hacking. "Hey, this will probably take me a while. ... I'm done."

Many simple-sounding requests are actually rather time consuming, including another one I was looking at tonight and have had to put off.

22:58

This one happened to be simpler than it sounded, so

Wooo

Okay, so question: for my 'Go Mode' image, I'm trying to set it up so that rather than clickign it themselves, it responds to other items being activated -- simple enough, with a composite_toggle.

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except that I'm running into an issue where one 'half' of it could be one of two items.

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(basically, Go Mode is havign a) the Crystal, and b) one of: the Pass or the Lunar Whale.)

23:10

Is there a way to link item_right to two items, so that it activates with either one of them? Or is there another way to accomplish what I'm trying to do? (edited)

sharing codes maybe? that seems sus tho

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imo go mode is better represented as a location rather than an item

23:14

as a location you can rather easily give it requirements

Thanks for requesting that feature @TrisChandler! I've actually considered adding a way to track enemies in a room in my tracker before, but never bothered because you'd need this feature. Guess I can do it now lol :D

Hah, awesome!

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And thanks, duncathan -- I'll look at some options with that.

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can confirm, sharing codes doesn't seem to work, at least not if the base items are toggles. added 'waytomoon' as a second code to each of the two items, and it only triggers for the first item in the file.

Are you not using Lua to drive that?

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You can easily write and/or style logic in Lua

I... haven't started exploring Lua yet.

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Time to go learn that, then!

For adding the second set of capturable items, could I do something like add "capture_enemy: true" to the location and then make a new grid in the layout file called "tracker_capture_enemy" would that work? Sorry if I missed you saying how to use this anywhere, but I didn't see anything

Oh, it was in the patch notes in the installer, but then I closed it and forgot to make a note of it -- I think it was "capture_item_layout" added for the location/section?

Then I did miss it LUL

it will be added to the schemas tomorrow, but it’s “capture_item_layout”, on a section, and you set it to the name of the layout to use.

ahh, cool. Thanks!

This question is probably months and months and months ago, but the font for the quantity counters is in a json somewhere, right?

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The font and font color for consumable items are hardcoded into EmoTracker, as far as I know. (edited)

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It's not something you can currently change in a pack.

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Or were you asking about my dungeon labels?

the labels are pictures, i figured that one out

14:54

I meant the font and the black squares and the bright green, yeah.

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"disabled_image_filter": "dim,halfdim",

<- I know documentation is incoming eventually, but are these the only two options here?

14:56

I'm trying to make the items a % transparent, instead of having a color filter on them when disabled.

I don't think there's currently an opacity filter, since it wouldn't work as well when using color key in streaming software. Now that NDI support has been added, I don't think it would be as much of a deal to add though.

I understood some of those words. blobsmilesweat2

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Thank you for the help.

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The numbers would really be great. We have control over so many other things.

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Not that "we have control over so many things" is a reason!

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Y'all do amazing work and I'm super thankful for this really robust tool.

disabled filter has grayscale iirc

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it may be in the schema already

Yeah, but they don't want a color filter, so they were looking for other options.

I'm trying to accomplish this.

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I think I could probably trick it by making transparent ish pictures.

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and having them set for the disabled states.

If you need a good example of using images rather than the standard disabled filter, MagoMerlin's FF4 Free Enterprise pack does it.

I'll give it a look! Shouldn't be too difficult, just time consuming.

Yeah, additional customization options for the consumable items are on the roadmap. The one that's hard, and has been holding it up, is font size. I can do the colors and such more easily though...

One of my toggle badges broke. I'm just replacing files with files named the exact same thing. Maybe its just late and I'm screwing something up.

22:12

will toggles not work on something the exact same dimensions as the overlaying badge?

I am not aware of any limitation like that. When you say it's broken, how has it broken?

its specifically bottles, and the badge is the rutobottle

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the progression files for the bottle are bottle1 bottle2 etc, and I didn't even touch the badge, which is named rutobottle

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yet, when i replace the old bottle images with the new bottle images, the rutobottle badge doesn't turn on when right clicked

have you made any changes to your layout files?

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Or just to images?

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and which pack is this for?

to both, but not for the bottle items, and this is the Raikaru & Atz Standard ZOoTR

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the only other thing that I can think of is that somehow exporting more override files than I needed, and I'm overwriting something that isn't used, but then it.. wouldn't be used

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i figure it had something to do with badges because this is the most complex one I've gotten to so far.

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everything else is just progression or on/off

what item code are you referencing in your tracker layout? (edited)

rutonote should be the badge

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bottle is the bottle

right

22:18

but in your tracker layout, which item is actually referenced

22:18

AFAICT, it should only be rutonote

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because that will display the bottles, and allow the right click on top

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but if your layout is referencing bottle, then it wouldn't work

it is rutonote

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[ "rutonote", "kidtrade", "adulttrade", "scale", "tunics", "shield3" ],

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yeesh, json formatting in discord hi.

can you please zip up your overrides and DM them to me

sure thing! I'm sure its a really really dumb mistake.

who knows, we'll see tho

Is it possible to add the end-game statistics from the autotracker to the broadcast window, and have it stay visible until you reset the tracker? (edited)

Not currently, more ways to display notifications is something I'm thinking about though

What layout keywords do I need to make Pinned Locations larger in size? Basically looking for: font size, item image size, and container size... or perhaps there's a scaling keyword? (edited)

scale

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Also there are schemas linked in the pins

Ok, thanks for the schema tip, I'll def be using that in the future. However, it looks like that scale option only works on the overall layout. Is there any way to only affect the pinned locations? (edited)

Nvm, I was adding it to the default group, thinking it was the default group, adding it to the horizontal group did it. (edited)

Hm, is there a way to decrease the delay on tooltips appearing?

No.

Cool, okay -- I'll put the info I want right on the icons, then!

hey dumb question

20:07

I heard there is a way to combine tunics on the broadcaster view for hamsda's oot tracker

20:07

does anyone know how to write that into the settings?

It's a composite toggle with the code "tunics"

20:48

So you can just replace the redtunic and bluetunic items with the tunics item.

Hi. Just started learning how to make a tracker. Is there a way to hover/mouseover an item and see an alt text pop-up?

A tooltip pops up eventually when hovering over an item, but it takes a while since Emo didn't want them to be in the way.

for my personal use, is there a way to customize the length of time to wait before the alt text pops up?

No.

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This was also asked literally 5 messages up in this room.

sorry. new here. i'll leave now

I don’t want anybody to leave - please don’t go. Just continuing to ask people to read a bit to see if their questions have been answered.

got it

16:16

i did try reading through the faq first before asking questions, and i think when i read up, i had a different interpretation of the questions asked

@codemann8 did you get the text and location scaling to work? I'd love to set that up on mine because I'm tired of relying on Windows accessibility magnifier to be able to read and select things in emotracker. I have been hoping for a way to effectively "zoom" portions similar to what I can do with most browser trackers. It sounds like it might be doable now for emo?

Yes, it works, I just had to put it on the right group @Mistariah scale: 1.0 is the default (edited)

Would someone be willing to take a look at my manifest.json/init.lua? I'm trying to add variants for the various completion flags for Free Enterprise, and I've apparently broken something -- it's no longer showing up under packages (it was there under 'Other' before).

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And I'm just not sure what I've broken.

You're probably mismatching brackets at some point. It's common to people new to editing JSON.

It looks like everything's matching up properly -- I'm coding in NP++ which conveniently highlights pairs.

16:16

It definitely looks like it's something in the manifest.json, though, since commenting out the variants has it showing up again.

Could you dm them to me?

Sure!

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Aaaand it was a missing comma, thank you JRJathome

I definitely recommend VS Code since it constantly checks your code for errors.

Ooh, huh.

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Does it support custom languages?

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I do a lot of coding in snes asm as well.

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and I assume it doesn't have built in support for that.

It's got extension support. You could check and see if something in their marketplace supports that. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/search?target=VSCode&category=Programming%20Languages&sortBy=Downloads

Programming Languages Extensions for Visual Studio Code in Marketplace

AHA. Someone's written it!

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https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=joshneta.65816-assembly

yeah vscode with its extensions is pretty darn amazing

NP++ has been pretty good to me for a hwile, but I'll definitely be taking a look at this -- I've been toying with using git for a while anyway, and it looks like vscode integrates it?

notepad++ is amazing it just needs to be better at handling code like code instead of just a suggestion

heh. yes.

yeah git is integrated (and can be expanded upon by extensions ofc)

sweet

and other version control systems I guess

Good ol’ Josh Neta.

quick question for y'all, is it possible to have multiple capture item slots for a single section?

Nope! Also I swear that was just asked. XD

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(Oh! Hah, in the wrong channel.)

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(It's up a little bit over in #pack-support )

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-- oh wait that was hosted, not captured.

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... apparently I just triggered a bot without meaning to?

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At any rate, I believe that the answer is the same for capture items, that it's one-per-section.

And I do believe it is, you can have one location with multiple sections though, each of which can have their own captured item.

Yes, that!

funnily enough, it was me that asked about the hosted items as well hahaha

oh lol

that's alright, it's for potential shops, so I'll just add a multiple item for the player to select

Can I blame Cataloguing Brain for my lack of reading comprehension? XD

13:13

Trying to catalogue books for work and it is the most mind-numbing job I have ever had.

It's entirely understandable don't worry

Hey there. So I don't really know what I'm doing, but I'm trying to modify a tracker/make my own. Once I edit the json files, how do I actually get EmoTracker to load it?

need to modify the manifest.json

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to have its own uid

heeey that worked. Thank you

so, the "compact" bool in recent pins, is it possible to achieve the same thing with locations that are not pinned at all? or just pinned locations?

Non-pinned locations currently always use the non-compact display. I can add an option for it, as a developer customization option.

Trying to edit SauceRelic's Super Metroid tracker. How can I get the background of the item tracker to be solid black? I can see other colour hex codes, but not for that section.

most of us dont have any background color defined, that way they appear transparent via NDI capture in OBS

I have OBS Studio. What's NDI Capture?

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Seems to be a third party plugin?

yeah

How can we submit a Package?

When you believe your package is complete and ready for distribution, please let me know.

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It's pretty prove of concept so far. I'm still making the graphics but the logic should be already done

As of the latest EmoTracker version 2.3.5.0, it is now possible to implement custom items in Lua. This can be very powerful for certain advanced types of trackers. You can find reference/example code here: https://emotracker.net/developers/sdk/emotracker_sdk.zip (edited)

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Pinned a message.

That sounds dangerous. Who's the initial target audience?

The initial inspiration came from Dudude Dude's latest Z1 variant, but Hamsda expressed some interest as well.

That thing? That gif looks like it's constructed with pure black magic.

Right? I love that he was able to put that together within the limitations of EmoTracker.

It's more accurate to say it's something that was planned for a while, but seeing what I was doing (And how I had to do it) pushed the release of it ahead over other things.

Incidentally that update also put in place another change that made saving and loading work with that pack, I'll still be updating it to take advantage of custom items though.

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Part of that rewrite is gonna look into making it easier to use it in other packs. Mostly because I want to update my Z2R pack to use a similar setup for its overworld mapping. (edited)

@EmoSaru Is it ok if it's a v0.2 with several placeholders as images? The "logic" is very basic (just manual toggle for now)

As a general rule, no. Do you have a specific reason for wanting to distribute a pack before it’s complete?

It is complete and usable, just not as good as it could be with a proper artist doing the graphics

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https://i.imgur.com/cmIE8Vt.png

the penguins tho

yeah, they have a nice stare xD

09:01

Is supposed to be for SM64, 70 stars route

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But SM64 is not sprite based, is 3D

09:01

So we had to use other games' (edited)

If it’s fully usable then I’ll be in touch when I get home tonight.

Is there any reasonable way to get around the limitations on location resolution order

03:50

so some way to get around a situation like this:

[ { "name": "Village 1", "children": [] "access_rules": [itemA] }, { "name": "Village 2", "children": [], "access_rules": ["@Village 1", "@Village 4"] }, { "name": "Village 3", "children": [], "access_rules": ["@Village 2"] }, { "name": "Village 4", "children": [], "access_rules": ["@Village 4", "@Village 3"] } ]

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This example might not be perfect, but perhaps you get what I'm going for

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Some instance where it's impossible, due to interconnectedness, to put things in a 'proper, linear order'

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Obviously, I can make this lua, but that's much, much less performative

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The answer is... Yes haha

03:59

But in a very silly way

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function tracker_on_accessibility_updated() if Tracker:ProviderCountForCode("DummyItem") == 1 then Tracker:FindObjectForCode("DummyItem").Active = false else Tracker:FindObjectForCode("DummyItem").Active = true end end

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this forces a re-evaluation of the tree each time the status is changed, which allows the tree to resolve in whatever order it needs to, I think

No. All it does is mask the problem and make the tracker slow,

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The reasonable way is to flatten it, and enumerate the possible Item-based access rules. You have circular dependencies. You have to break them. Sorry not sorry?

I'm wondering if this is possible: I show a map on my broadcast view, however, when I switch to the Item Tracker (without a map), something I'd use when playing custom hacks, the broadcast view has an empty space where the map would be. Is there any option on the broadcast view to effectively set the width and height to 0 when the map doesn't exist? Or some kind of mechanism to remove the unnecessary empty space?

Override the broadcast layout specifically in the variant folder

I only see standard and keysanity broadcast views, none for the other variants

The variants still have ids, which are loaded from preferentially. I’m traveling at the moment; hopefully somebody else can help you with this.

if you accidently click an incorrect chest location on the LTTP rando map, is there a way to reset it without using refresh (F5) that resets the entire map. like if i just wanted to reset 1 chest location?

Ctrl+Z

15:44

#faq

Undo functionality

I will say that there is definitely a separate tracker layout file for each variant in my pack. Maybe you can figure out how your overrides should be placed given that.

15:44

Also #general-support

thx @JRJathome

Please for the love of everything good read the faq and check the support channels

15:45

Undo was literally discussed 4 messages ago in #general-support

Yes, I see the tracker.json for each variant, but that only affects the base emotracker screen, not the broadcast view. In the overrides, only 2 versions of the broadcast jsons exist, standard and keysanity

Is there a way to make that different other than overriding init.lua?

Jr, I would expect you to know how variant loading paths work

Interesting, if I copy and paste the broadcast json file to the variant folder, and make the necessary changes, it works... it just seems like there's missing overrides in the override window

There are not missing overrides

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It’s showing you the files in the pack

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You’re trying to do something beyond replace a file

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So you have to do things

I do not see a items_only/layouts/standard_broadcast.json in my list, nor do I see a items_only_keys/layouts/keysanity_broadcast.json in my list (edited)

Did I not just explain why?

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Those variants fall back to the root level

15:56

But they preferentially load paths from their variant directory. I don’t include individual broadcast layouts for every variant because the more common use case has been wanting to make it easy to change eg all keysanify broadcast layouts at once

Wait, it preferentially loads from variant directories?

15:57

That's awesome, I'm glad I was watching the channel right now!

Yes, that’s how variants work

15:57

Please read through my pack

15:57

It relies on this all over the place

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Pay attention to how things are loaded, what exists, and what doesn’t

... I did, but it's not like there's documentation and I've been trying to figure out a bunch of other stuff, too. it's a little overwhelming.

The closest we have to documentation is the pinned JSON schemas and the official LttP pack, which uses most of the things.

(And I don't mean that as a complaint! You've done a whole lot of amazing work with this.)

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(I just mean that I don't think it's unreasonable to have not figured out one specific thing when I was focusing on other things.)

Listen, I’m in a pretty shit mood right now, because I’m driving to visit my dad who was recently diagnosed with cancer. So, it’s best if I just step away, because while I have strong opinions on this topic, now is not the time to share them.

Noted. I'm sorry about your father.

My mother recently got diagnosed with a terminal disease (interstitial lung disease) as well, @EmoSaru . If you ever need to chat, I'm available. It's a very difficult thing to deal with.

getting the hang of working with the lua item stuff now i think. got a progressiveItem working that takes an array

ProviderCountForCode seems to be seeing if items added through Tracker:AddItems("items.json") are active but not lua ToggleItems

Apparently there is a typo in the version of toggle.lua that is in the linked zip, which was not present in the version I was using for testing locally. In ToggleItem:providesCode, replace self.getActive() with self:getActive(). Alternatively, here is the whole function.

function ToggleItem:providesCode(code) if code == self.code and self:getActive() then return 1 end return 0 end

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In the future, I always recommend checking the developer console, as this particular typo results in a very obvious script error when the item is queried. I will update the linked zip file in a few days when I'm home. (edited)

In the currently provided zip toggle.lua also uses ToggleItem:Load(data) instead of ToggleItem:load(data)

thanks

having sort of an issue creating multiple item types. created both ToggleItem and a similar ProgressiveItem with their own functions. when creating an item of the type created first though, the dev console is throwing up errors that it expects the function arguments of the second types init function, as if the second type overwrote the first.

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looked at dudude's zelda pack and he just created the instances needed of the first item before creating the second item type. did that and it's working fine it seems

You have done something strange with your Lua then. I'd have to see it to know what. (edited)

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FYI, this level of stuff is definitely intended to be "for programmers".

12:47

As a general rule, I expect people using this stuff to be able to debug, and be self-sufficient/functional in Lua. (edited)

k

Afternoon. I'm ready to try to make a simple pack for a randomizer I enjoy. I have the main image resources I'd want, and I've studied a few of the packs I've downloaded. How exactly can I get EmoTracker to load my folder/archive file for testing?

It's on the #faq

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Kinda

...it wasn't fully made clear there, sorry. I've already asked Emo about making a pack, and she directed me here.

Put your pack in Documents/Emotracker/

...alright, if that step is done, then that tells me I need to add more files to the pack so that it loads up when I open EmoTracker.

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Also...don't call manifest.json ma*in*fest.json

you can go to the directory where the packs are, unzip one of them, and then edit the files for that pack. it will be called whatever you put in manifest.json

I just edit a pack

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And overwrite it

I did unzip some files for studying, but I didn't think of...well, just modifying the existing ones.

for it to just show up locally so you can test, you need to make sure your manifest.json has a new UID, the rest of the structure (loading from init.lua and whatnot) it is best to look at other packs

Alright, pack development is coming along. From some of the examples I've seen...well, is there a way to add plain old text items to the tracker? That is, I want to be able to toggle a string instead of toggle a string placed into an image.

Also, to @Ninban if you are here: Any thoughts on why my tabs are not...well, tabbing? Or will you need to see my pack?

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It would certainly help, but I suggest taking a look at this file. The last part has map references with "type": "tabbed" and tabs. This is probably what's missing on your side.

tracker_layout.json

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(it comes from the smz3 pack)

Counterpoint: I do have tabs set up. I don't have the maps enabled thing since I'm structured closer to emo's ALTTPR tracker.

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...I've identified why I was struggling. For anyone that wants to use the lua init stuff, make sure to load maps BEFORE the layouts.

As a general rule, if you're referencing something, load it before you reference it.

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Also there are not pure text items.

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Items currently work on images.

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Make images.

You got it. Thank you.

Evening. I have a new query that I didn't see in the FAQ. Is there a way to resize the location squares on the tracker? For some of my maps, the squares are a bit big.

{ "name": "overworld", "location_size": 12, "location_border_thickness": 2, "img": "images/overworld.png" },

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You're looking at the "location_size" attribute in the maps .json file.

...not sure I was clear on my query there.

17:57

The maps themselves are fine.

17:58

I want to place locations on the map. It is THOSE squares that are big.

yes, and that's what's determined by 'location_size'

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It's set by map.

I'll test it out after I'm done with a separate play test session. Thank you.

is it possible to have the number of available locations in a tab displayed in the tab's name?

Not currently. Tabs are not directly connected to maps - they’re just a layout element, and can contain any type of layout. I have plans for the future to eventually allow Lua to manipulate layout elements, which could allow this, but that’s not happening soon.

Is there a way to organize item grid layout blocks like this? (Pic mocked in paint)

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Yes, that’s fairly straightforward using nested array and possibly dock elements. (edited)

mkay thanks. I'll try my hand for it

whew success. thanks

@Samael11 Conversely related to the above, you may or may not be able to put each piece in a tabbed interface. Dunno. But, if possible, may be a viable (yet possibly annoying) solution.

hrm?

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that's probably kind of what i'm thinking

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I can't think of another program that does this off the top of my head, but i'm sure editing software does it too. Separate windows / tabs that are separate but lock to each other if you want, allowing you to configure how they appear on the screen.

But if editing the layout to be tabbed for everything is possible, then it can be done using the current interface without any core changes.

I'm hoping it's an easily implemented change, and someone is inspired to incorporate it, but i'm not a code-monkey and am unable to do it myself. At best, I can understand bits of code when I know what I'm looking at / for.

That type of dynamic docking control is not something I have any plans to add.

as an alternative, that may be easier to incorporate, have the option to have a blank "Viewing screen" of adjustable size to account for resolution issues, so it can simulate the effect desired and you can set up items and map in the emulator margins (whether fixed or able to be user designated)

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Which, I think in talking with Mike, I may have got him to play around with

That is also not something I intend to add at this time. (edited)

@Hamsda (not sure what channel this should go in) I'm having some trouble with the ocarina of time tracker. Some locations have so many chests that they don't fit on the screen, and I can only fit like 3 pinned things on the window (and i can barely see it at that point)

~~get a bigger screen~~ this is honestly something which needs to be resolved with customizations and tabbed map subsections

who what now

the map takes up an incredible amount of real estate, and it just doesn't work well on tiny little 1366x768 screens

i have a 1920x1080

...oh, that would indeed be an issue, then, as the layout has changed such that the map now completely obliterates the pinned locations when maximized

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https://puu.sh/Drun3.jpg

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you would do better to use a more square tracker window, then

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as that enables the pinned locations to be visible

but the thing is

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@Natalie I've been making it smaller and not maximized and even then

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@Natalie Do you see the problem?

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look how small I have to make it just to be able to see the pin list

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and even then, i can't really use the pins very well because they get cut off

20:03

these are my most frequent pins

Maybe not pin so many things at once

maybe I wouldn't if trying to set stuff that I know didn't automatically pin it

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also, I pin these because these are the ones that are too big for the chest list to fit

20:30

so I have to pin them

Maybe move the pins to a container between Items & Maps?

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The difficulty is that the dungeons are so much larger and each room has a name or each chest is so distant from each other that it helps to have a label for each and thusly takes up more room.

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Maybe if there was an option for a chest counter to disappear from an element in the pinned section once it’s cleared, hooking into F11 to bring it back.

20:42

Does anything in the sizing options reduce the size of the Pinned Locations elements, like scaling?

@Tilt Controls Move Pinned Locations to between Items/Settings & Maps, make it 400 pixels wide as an example:

{ "type": "dock", "content": [ { "type": "group", "header": "Pinned Locations", "width": 400, "content": { "type": "recentpins", "style": "wrap", "h_alignment": "stretch", "v_alignment": "stretch", "orientation": "horizontal", "compact": true } } ] },

honestly

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I just want to have pinned spots on the left, under settings

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even if it was only 1 at a time or like

20:55

yeah I want it over there

20:55

that might fix the fullscreen problem too

20:56

can there just be an option to make the map not so damn big

It's just that the world map is too damn big and I couldn't find anything with a quick Google Search to replace it. Maybe something that's detailed enough to have each section but not so detailed that it takes up a whole diningroom table to lay out.

20:57

It's a nice map. There may be something better out there for this particular application.

Honestly, I beg to differ considering it's using the official included map

20:58

it's neat but some spots get a bit cluttered I feel

20:58

or maybe I'm just getting too used to alttp having the actual in game world as the map and not the art map

A map where the bits in-between aren't necessarily to scale, but the spots with the locations are better-represented in relation to each other.

yeah @MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge i was looking at it and while that map is nice, i'm sure theres a better way to use that space

something simpler would be nice

the ZOOTR community is pretty large, i bet you could find someone whose put together something, or is willing to

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i mean, something like this might work https://pm1.narvii.com/6500/0ec253ee5a83609dd8e0f3ce56d555c3dc3e0579_hq.jpg

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thats not bad

21:29

not good, but not bad

that's large and busy and overall kind of a poor example

sadly the issue with Blade and my tracker to a degree (edited)

21:34

also 1:1 aspect ratio is awkward to fit onto a tracker nicely (edited)

you could probably get by with something stylized, since you can't use it for navigation anyways

I know the map isn't perfect, far from it, but basically everything I have looked at wouldn't work because of the sheer amount of locations in this game, especially with all the sanities ootr has to offer, and with how concentrated they are in some regions. And I don't want to resort to sub maps of those regions, because the main point of a map tracker is to support visually how much you have to check in an area. If one doesn't wanna miss a check, a list does the same. By resizing the tracker to the right size, you can almost always make it work for you. I can't make it work for everyone with their different resolutions and wants. If what I offer doesn't work for you, override it like Mike suggested. And tbh, there is no reason to keep every bit of information pinned. Add the info, unpin it, and once you come back to the place you will see it again. sorry if this came off a bit ranty, but people gotta realize that I try to make it decent for everyone, but its also quite frustrating to hear many times: "I full screen the tracker on my laptop, make it work for that size!" (hyperbole)

quick question - i'm in the middle of a seed for a fairly long randomizer (wind waker) and i've decided i want to make a change to some overrides that i have. If i save, reload (to updated the overrides), and then reload the save, it that going to work? Or will it tell me that i have the wrong version

unless you override the manifest and change the version, the version check will not come into play. If you make changes to items or locations, you run a high likelihood of invalidating the save, depending on the changes you make. Layout-only changes should not affect things.

invalidating the save is the word i was looking for, thanks. all im doing is changing the layout, so it should be fine

Hey, quick question that I've been having a hard time working out, in the MP1 Randomizer package, how do I either change the background transparency or change the colour so that I can chroma key out the background colour?

mario party 1 randomizer?

zfgSmug

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Metroid Prime.

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Mario Party is random enough as it is, thanks.

Mario party 1 randomizer when zfgSmug

zfgSmug

As in randomize/shuffle what each square on the board is? (edited)

Yes, and randomize the amount of coins you gain/lose (edited)

random star prices

tracker_on_accessibility_updated does the tracker know what accessibility got updated when calling this?

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And is this called when you check any item? or only when some item's access is changed

it gets call any time the tracker has evaluated the logic

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it doesn't care what got changed

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if anything

21:19

in practice, it happens any time you click an item or modify a location

Is it possible for tracker to know what was just checked

not trivially, because there can be cascading updates that get merged into one

Is there a callback function on item check (as in, a click on the tracker)?

No.

@EmoSaru Is it possible to add a background to a pack underlaying the items?

is this for broadcast view? I imagine you could just set it to transparent and put the image behind it

A background image specifically.

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The user wishes to have an aesthetic choice for their user interface, presumably.

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Which is, honestly, kind of silly. Less visual noise, the better.

i'm actually not sure how to do transparent broadcast mode cause everything is grey enough they disappear too or nearly disappear, so I was just hoping to underlay it

this is what NDI support is for

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alternatively, if you can't do that for whatever reason (bad stream software?) you can change the background color of the broadcast view using an override, then key that out

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basic streamer knowledge

There is an image layout element type which can be used for this, and you can use a container or canvas to express the layering, depending on how you want to express sizing. (edited)

16:02

As mentioned in the channel topic, there are json schema links in the pinned messages here. I strongly recommend people look at them to see what's possible when they have questions. (edited)

on the terms of "changing the background color" how's that done

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I don't see a hex code in there for the background

Literally every layout element type supports a background property, which can be set to an html color, e.g. #ff0000. It is literally the second property described in the schema. The default is transparent (#00000000) (edited)

I can't read the schema at all due to my lack of lua knowledge, so thanks for putting up with me.

The schema has nothing to do with lua.

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That is a json schema.

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And it is written in json.

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then i probably downloaded the wrong thing

https://emotracker.net/developers/schemas/layouts.json

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That is what I'm referring to

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From the only pinned message that uses the word "schema"

json and lua could not be more different

Is there a way to have a default value for progressive_toggle @EmoSaru

Yes. As I just said above, the JSON schemas linked in the pins are the best place to find this stuff out. (edited)

hrm

21:56

i tried initial_stage_idx but it didn't seem to work

21:56

(though it did when i switched it to simply progressive)

21:57

i think i might know what i did wrong...

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//Starting Location { "name": "Starting Location", "type": "progressive_toggle", "allow_disabled": false, "loop": "true", "initial_active_state": "true", "initial_stage_idx": 1, "stages": [ { "img": "images/surfaceStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsSurface" }, { "img": "images/illusionStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsIllusion" }, { "img": "images/infernoStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsInferno" }, { "img": "images/timeStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsTime" } ] }

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so perhaps i'm not understanding something

22:01

initial_stage_idx of 0 works, but 1 doesn't

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(initial_stage_idx of 1 works with progressive, but not progressive_toggle)

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oh but that's fine...

22:03

i can actually just use inherits_codes with progressive

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that's quite nice

22:05

though that doesn't seem to work =/

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//Starting Location { "name": "Starting Location", "type": "progressive", "allow_disabled": false, "loop": "true", "initial_active_state": "true", "initial_stage_idx": 0, "stages": [ { "img": "images/surfaceStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsSurface", "inherits_codes": false }, { "img": "images/illusionStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsIllusion", "inherits_codes": false }, { "img": "images/infernoStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsInferno", "inherits_codes": false }, { "img": "images/timeStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsTime", "inherits_codes": false } ] }

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what exactly am i doing wrong here with inherits_codes

22:06

according to the schema, it seems to be a property of the items in stages

what are you actually trying to do

so, in the randomizer, one can have a random starting location

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currently, i have it working so that there's an icon that is a progressive_toggle - since progressive_toggle items do not inherit the previous stages

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right clicking that to change location is quite unintuitive

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ideally, it'd be nice to have it be a progressive item with inherits_codes false, so that one can easily just left click it (like any of the other settings) and have it change the starting location

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it isn't like.... tragic, or anything

What is the actual problem you are having.

oh

With the progressive item.

well, with the above code, the item is clearly inheriting previous codes

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it starts off with startingAreaLocationIsSurface and gives me access to the surface area, then i click it and the icon changes to startingAreaLocationIsIllusion as expected, but i retain access to the surface area

22:12

this is not true for progressive_toggle

Okay, I just looked into it. This is my fault - the proper name is inherit_codes

22:13

I will correct the schemas momentarily

ahh okay that explains it

22:13

sorry for the bother

22:13

and if i might ask - just because it might be a bug as well

22:13

//Starting Location { "name": "Starting Location", "type": "progressive_toggle", "allow_disabled": false, "loop": "true", "initial_active_state": "true", "initial_stage_idx": 1, "stages": [ { "img": "images/surfaceStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsSurface" }, { "img": "images/illusionStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsIllusion" }, { "img": "images/infernoStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsInferno" }, { "img": "images/timeStart.png", "loop": "true", "codes": "startingAreaLocationIsTime" } ] }

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so this code

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initial_stage_idx of 0 works, but 1 doesn't

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(it does work with progressive)

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is this a bug or am i misunderstanding the way progressive_toggle indexes item stages?

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(with an index of 1 the item simply does not show up on the tracker at all)

I have just tested this, and initial_stage_idx is working just fine for me with progressive toggles

strange

your problem is that your stages are not providing a common code which can be used for referencing it on the layout

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I may consider modifying the behavior for progressive toggles here in the future, but for now, you will need to reference the item by a code common to all states, or at least present in whatever the default stage is

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so for example, if you modified your layout to refer to it by startingAreaLocationIsIllusion, I expect it would work

ahh, i see

22:19

i understand

22:19

this isn't something i am going to do, mind you, since the progressive item with inherit_codes false is much better for my purposes

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but it is good to know it isn't a bug

Hello everybody. I'm modifying a package at the moment and wanted to invert the behaviour of items on click, as in start coloured and grey out on click

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Is this possible?

That actually seems super useful because once you have an item you don’t need to know you have it (assuming you use a map tracker)

It's actually not at all for a randomizer or game like that lol

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My friend had an idea about playing a fighting game and swapping out characters on death until we go through the cast, and I thought this tracker seemed decent enough for that

There’s an initial_state

I have a layout ready and icons, just need to know the last thing

Maybe you can check on the mails of AlttP package?

Oh, good call

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I'll do that, thanks

21:14

Also, I feel dumb for asking this, but is there any way to create NEW packages? I'm modifying one for a game I'll never play because I couldn't figure out how to start from scratch lol

Modifying existing ones is how you create a new package

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You can put it in a folder under the emotracker directory, where all other package as zip resides

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(Zipping is not required)

Great, thanks

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And mail is just a progressive toggle with the first state being lit up, it seems

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I guess I could do that, but then I'd have to ahve a separate icon for active and not active

Please read the channel topic. (edited)

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Then check the pins, as instructed by the topic. (edited)

Oh, thanks

So...I know that lua can be used to load both lua files and json files. Is it also possible to create different layouts using lua as a base? I feel like I'm repeating the same json layout multiple times for the different variants/broadcast views here.

Paths within the selected variant folder override the same path starting from root of the pack. Between that and using layout references, you should be able to eliminate actual duplication. Layouts cannot be directly created or manipulated from Lua yet.

hmm...I suspect I'm doing something different from what you are intending with a new variant I'm working on. I'll have to study your pack example again to see if I can improve things.

So I've downloaded the NDI plugin for obs, not sure how to get it to work to add the transparency though

Most packs these days should already be ready for transparent broadcast view backgrounds.

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Just open the broadcast view and add the NDI source.

Oh! I see, thank you so much!

is there a way to give my own location names for a package

Hi, i'm what you'd like to call OBS stupid (I just switched yesterday) and im trying to setup NDI for transparency. I've installed the packs required and it recognizes the source, still no transparency. I do have a chroma for my main overlay, but turning that off does not solve the problem.

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I should mention its an HTML overlay

NM got it, just set the background to the same as my overlay via the override

OBS doesn't have NDI support by itself. You'll have to download and install the NDI plugin for it to work.

I did that

The best way to ensure transparency with NDI is to remove the background property from your layout override (edited)

Also, make sure you restarted after installing the NDI runtime.

okay, still having it be finicky.

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There's some kind of shading covering the item tracker and im not sure its source.

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In that screenshot, im expecting the background to be #FF00FF (for chroma key purposes) and it isn't

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it's got a bit of grey mixed in and i cant figure out what in the json is controlling that.

okay, first off

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why are you overriding the main view like this

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do you need to display literally the entire window in your stream

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including the map

because i changed the wrong background element the first time and was too lazy to change it back

do you need to display literally the entire tracker window, including map, in your stream

nah just trying to do the items section

tip:

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press F2

okay

https://puu.sh/DAVAB.png

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which layout file is this controlled from

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standard_broadcast.json and keysanity_broadcast.json i hope

it'll be keysanity_broadcast.json

So this lets me have the view i want but doesnt actually answer the actual misbehavior

the broadcast view is specifically created for window captures; its window title will never change and it reads a special layout separate from the main interface

ill take the workaround (which also appears to be a best practice)

the actual misbehavior is user error

The misbehavior is that the tracker's content isnt actually the background specified in the json?

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Like, yes, i should be using the broadcast view for stream cropping

the misbehavior is that the user is changing the wrong files; the observed "inconsistency" is that "dock" panels have a semitransparent dark gray background

but at the same time, theres something fishy going on with the tabs in the tracker not honoring the background color specified in the JSON

this is by default and can, most likely, be changed by specifying a background key in the appropriate place in the json

I mean... thats what my screenshot shows and it's not actually the background specified in the appropriate place. (And every other background: element in this json is #ff00ff too just to be sure.)

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not sure if theres something about content type groups

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"content":[ {"type":"group" ... } ] is my best guess as to what's introducing the additional shading

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Like, ill chalk up "well, you should have been doing it this way syl" and do it the correct way

the group element has a semitransparent background by default

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a quick inspection suggests one possible equivalent value is in the ballpark of #50000000 as AARRGGBB

Gotcha. That matches up with approximately what im seeing.

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so its possible to override that default if you specify i guess?

i don't think json schemas provide for a "default value" listing

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if you want a group with a fully transparent background when building a tracker or a broadcast view override, you'd specify #00000000

yeah typically anything thats default is just ignored

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and left out of the json entirely

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thanks for looking into that

the schema does mention that background keys can be optionally provided as #AARRGGBB but nowhere does it mention what the default background for a group object is

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which, i'd guess, is the only object which has a default background that isn't #00000000

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excluding the topmost container

Just out of curiosity, which json file is the "background" variable stored in? Anyone know?

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I've exported the overrides for the broadcast.json files, but I'm not seeing any background variable

It’s a property of every layout element

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Please refer to the json schemas linked in the pins

Bingo, got it. Thanks for your help!

Um.. is there a way to make the tracker bigger?. Like, just double it's size so I don't have to be precise on clicks.

Figured it out. ^.^

im new to all this i was wondering how do i change the colour of the background on broadcast veiw if that's able to do ? i want to chroma key it or is there some easier way to do this if anyone could help ?

Chroma keying is a thing of the past, thankfully. Look into an NDI plugin for your stream software, if it isn't already natively supported.

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The broadcast view provides an NDI source which your stream software should be able to recognize, given the correct plugin if necessary. NDI is notable for being able to supply a video feed with transparent background, rendering chroma/color keying unnecessary.

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If this isn't an option for you, you will need to override the broadcast layout JSON, disable the drop shadow, and add a background key to the appropriate location.

it isnt an option, how am i able to edit these files to disable and add a background key ?sorry noob here lol

In the gear menu, under advanced, you can export overrides for the current pack. You will need to edit an override for the broadcast layout you’re using and then refresh the tracker. There are JSON schemas linked in the pins that can help with the format.

Thanks alot.managed to do it

so im guessing before i can think about making my own tracker i need to learn .json?

Json is the primary data authoring format, yes. Fortunately it’s relatively straightforward. Lua scripting is also used.

Imare there any resources you'd reconmend so i can learn it and lua?

there isn't much to "learn" for json

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its a human readable data structure

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if you look at examples, like emos pack, its pretty easy to figure out

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and the lua requirements are very basic unless you wanna do very fancy stuff

it's not JSON that you need to learn, except for the basic structure and syntax of JSON itself

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it's the data that the JSON is describing, that's what you'll need to learn

How to check if you don't have a item? My problem is that there are two items. But if I collect Item A, Item B disappears and can't be collected

you can use lua that checks if an item is collected, lock the other from being checked

I am new in making trackers and I never worked with lua. Do you have a good example? EDIT: solved (edited)

What exactly does this error mean and how can I fix it? It sometimes appear when using a lua function

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my best guess: you are returning something unexpected in your lua function, and emos code then tries to convert it, which fails

the strange thing is that I had the same issue while using a function (function A) inside another function (function B). But when I replaced the function call in function B with the code of function A which has the same effect it worked

might be doing something wrong, without seeing code this is just a guessing game rooShrug

rooShrug

I hope that's enough otherwise let me know and I send you the pack. So the problem is the has_bowwow function. Like I did here it doesn't work but if I put has("bowwow") and ... where the function call is it works fine. Also the error appears when calling "enterBottleGrotto" in the json

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you are returning the function, not its results

04:10

return destroy_grass is very different from return destroy_grass()

04:11

same for has_bowwow further down

Oh, right

How couldn't I see it

04:13

Thank you

happens when staring at your own code very often

Is there a way to set the state of a progressive item with a lua function?

09:31

So the idea I have is when I toggle an item to "collected" another item should change to the first state automatically

Look at my autotracker script for examples of how to manipulate items from Lua.

autotracker from ALTTP?

The top option in the Package Manager is the one she speaks of. Then use the Export Overrides menu option to search for lua files.

Or here: https://github.com/emosaru/alttpr_emotracker_emosaru

emosaru/alttpr_emotracker_emosaru

Official EmoTracker ALTTPR Pack Source. Contribute to emosaru/alttpr_emotracker_emosaru development by creating an account on GitHub.

10:15

It is always my recommendation to check my pack for reference

simple question: if I'm working on a custom pack (for Goonies 2 Randomizer), how do I load it in EmoTracker? I'm working from alttpr_emotracker_emosaru as an example, and I've got the files in ~\Documents\EmoTracker\packs\goonies2r at the moment

You need to make sure you have a proper manifest.json, and then launch the tracker. Since it’s a new game, it will show up under other.

got it! Thanks

I have a layout mostly working but, if possible, I'd like to get help on why the locations I define aren't showing up on the map. I'm not getting errors on the console

You’ll need these for each location with their definitions. The map key needs to match the map you want it shown on and then the coordinates need to be inside the range of the pixel size of the map image. https://github.com/emosaru/alttpr_emotracker_emosaru/blob/master/locations/dungeons.json#L31

I think I've got all that. Working on pushing my repo

Cool. I can take a peek when your repo’s up.

okay: https://github.com/arborelia/goonies2r_tracker

arborelia/goonies2r_tracker

An EmoTracker for Goonies II Randomizer. Contribute to arborelia/goonies2r_tracker development by creating an account on GitHub.

12:14

I tried setting map coordinates to {"x": 1, "y": 1} just to make sure I wasn't off the pixel grid somehow

Do the map images even show?

Yep

Maybe load the map file before the locations file.

It looks like this so far

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12:17

Okay I'll try that

I notice that Emo’s load script does it in that order.

hey that worked!

Hey! Cool. :)

and now the item boxes are enormous!

12:18

do I just need to scale up my image or is there a way to make the boxes smaller?

Either. Let’s see if we can hunt down that code.

12:25

If you search the Discord for location_border_thickness, you’ll find an example. The recommendation does seem to be to scale up the maps, I think.

12:26

There’s likely a usability or scaling reason to do one over the other if the maps are super tiny to start with.

12:27

But! You’ve got a product that is definitely on its way. :D

Alright I'll just scale up the maps, it seems straightforward enough

Not sure if this is a stupid question to ask, but I'm going to go for a 100% playthrough of an obscure PS2 game called Dark Cloud that's hard to track item collection progress, since there's only a limited amount of items you can keep in storage and your inventory, so I thought it would be cool to have something like EmoTracker to keep track of these items for myself and my stream. Basically since this game is extremely obscure I knew it wouldnt have a pack already made for it, so I want to make my own pack. Similar to the item trackers in Zelda randomizers and such. Where would I start? (edited)

Oh man, Dark Cloud. Memories, man. I wouldn't even call it that obscure.

06:55

Largely the reason any given game won't have a pack for it is the lack of a randomizer and therefore the lack of a popular reason to make the package.

06:56

You'll need to familiarize yourself with JSON data definition, as packs are built largely using JSON to describe the structure (and logic, for map-enabled packs)

06:57

you probably won't need to worry about lua since you're not going to be writing any logic

06:58

The official word on "how do I get started on making a package" is "use the official LttP package as a reference"

06:58

and there's JSON schemas pinned, too (edited)

Thanks so much for the info! I'll start working on learning JSON I suppose, and check out those schemas and such as well :) Always glad to find another Dark Cloud fan. It seems it really wasn't obscure for its time, it sold very well and a lot of people who grew up in that era of Playstation 2 seem to remember it. I guess I just feel like it's been mostly forgotten over the years outside of the Ps4 remaster.

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If i have any further questions i reckon I'll be back here with them, thanks again!

Man Dark Cloud was so good

13:05

And yeah, learning JSON isn't super bad. If I was able to do it, I'm sure you can

For ALttP, how do I add item counts to the item tracker for the dungeons? (edited)

Assuming you're using Emo's pack, the dungeon locations should have chests that you click when you get an item and it counts down each time. The original number is the total number in the dungeon.

17:31

oh, or do you mean the non-map tracker?

I am. I'm just not sure how to add those to the main item area. Like how you can have the key counts, I wan to add the dungeon item counts

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So, item counts instead of keys

I think you'll basically have to add them as a new item, which I'd do with overrides. If you look at the overworld glitches pack, there's something similar in that layout that you can probably adapt. Just be careful about changing any existing item names if you use autotracking

17:37

but basically, you'll create a consumable item for each dungeon with the appropriate max number (e.g., 3 for Eastern), then you can probably just add that in there next to the keys (and you'll probably have to adjust the width of those pieces as well so it fits)

Ok. I'm looking at the OW glitches pack now. Looks close to what I'm looking for. Thanks, I'll see what I can do and bug you later if I have more questions.

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Cool cool. Look for the things called like // EP Items for example in the items.json of the OWG pack. That's the kind of thing you'll want to add. Just make sure you do these alterations in a user override.

Yep. I have other overrides already. Thanks

I did the same thing, creating a consumable where the item counts down instead of counts up is the key

I suppose either way works, based off your preference.

I like to count down because then I don’t need to remember how many items are in each dungeon (edited)

Actually, I do want them to count down. How did you do that?

18:07

@Lechtansi

I’ll check when I get home

consumables_left instead of quantity I think (edited)

As per the pinned messages... https://emotracker.net/developers/schemas/items.json

Well, I don't recall those being there the last time I was making edits...

Thanks, I'll take a look at that.

18:21

Perfect! It works! Is there a way to link that to the dungeon items from the map? If not, this will work just fine.

There's not.

18:21

It's something I'm looking into in the future, but it would likely be read-only as a display for the broadcast view.

Ok, thanks for the quick replies.

I'm working on a tracker for the new CV2 randomizer and I'm having an issue with map scaling. Is there a recommended size for the map png that won't shrink eveything down like this

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Maps will always scale to fit

01:22

That’s as designed

01:22

So ultimately, it’s about considering the aspect ratios you want to support, and designing for that

01:22

You could also consider splitting your maps into sections and using tabs. Some packs do that.

That might be an option

01:23

I could organize it by the different zones

If you want a full overview map, you would do well to use a more concise map, such as the style used by the 2D Metroid games.

02:01

You can put details in tabs.

Thank you! I ended up just using a different map we were hoping to just use for more advanced players but it should work out regardless. I really appreciate the help! It will def be used in a couple variants i have planned.

06:15

This is just the basic approach so far but i think it's coming along well

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I added the selected line, along with the items in the items.json and the associated images, and now I only have a grey box. I removed that line and the grey box stays. What happened?

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you probably have an error in one of your files

11:40

check out the developer console for some indication

11:41

also using a decent editor with linting will make your life way easier

Yeah, so I've been told. I need to have something light-weight though as this little project is moving around a lot, do you have any recommendations?

I'm confused as to why installing an editor affects the "weight" of your project or its mobility

yeah not quite sure what you mean by that either, but VS Code is my personal favorite

light-weight as in it's not very resource-hungry I do like Notepad++ because it's a small installation (only 10.5 mb) I don't know for sure because I hadn't installed it, but VS Code looked like a huge IDE

11:50

+ I've got bias with what I'm familiar with

VsCode is significantly less huge than visual studio. It’s a totally different application

Gotcha, I'll give it a shot then

11:51

Also thanks for showing me the developer console, de-linting fixed my issue

I used to use Nodepad++. VS Code is such a vast improvement and I cannot imagine going back.

How would I go about adding a map to this layout here?

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Do I need to add a container?

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I see other map trackers' code and they always include a container, but I don't even know what the difference between a container, an array, and an item grid is lol

They largely use a container because containers affect child sizing, and maps do not contribute size in the same way due to auto scaling to fit. A container is not strictly required though.

What exactly is a container?

Under the hood it’s a WPF grid. Ultimately it’s a container element that can host one or more child elements. It supports the full set of standard element attributes, so can apply a background, sizing, margins, etc. When it hosts multiple elements, they layer on top of each other, which can be useful in some cases.

Gotcha What about an array?

Arrays display things as an array, either horizontally or vertically

19:21

I recommend looking through examples in my pack layouts and breaking them out. Setting obvious background colors on elements is a good way to learn.

Awesome, will do I appreciate the help, thank you

Does anyone know what these errors mean? (edited)

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19:46

The broadcast layout settings I haven't even touched yet

It’s because you don’t have a broadcast layout, but it’s also weird that your pack doesn’t use the new init.lua path. I suspect you’re using an old legacy formatted pack as your reference. I always recommend using my LTTP pack as reference.

That's the thing, I used an older pack at first, but then I literally copied your layout/tracker.json and inserted my own items, got this error

21:08

And I suppose a clarification: I do have a broadcast layout, but it's the one from JRJathome's item-only tracker I haven't touched it at all, it's copied directly

It doesn’t look to me like you have an init.lua

21:08

And you’re not loading layouts from it

I guess I'll grab one then Thought I'd be okay without one considering JRJathome's didn't have any scripts at all and it works fine

21:10

oof I see what you said above

21:10

I didn't read apparently lol

21:10

Legacy format

21:14

Can I just steal a scripts folder or do I need to personalize it?

You will almost certainly need to make changes, and in the case of my pack, there will be stuff you don’t need. I honestly recommend exploring to make sure you understand how things are working and fit together, but I also recommend then taking that knowledge and setting things up cleanly for your pack.

Gotcha Thanks again for the help

!!!!! I feel so accomplished already lol

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I'd really love a map pack for this game. I don't know it well enough to do it without one. I'm glad you're making one!

Thanks! LADX is my absolute favorite game, I always want more people playing it lol

Having grown up with Link's Awakening, I cannot possibly fathom how someone wouldn't know the game.

21:50

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I played it growing up too, just not enough to be familiar enough to enjoy a rando of it without a map tracker.

21:51

I played LttP a lot more

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What's bringing up the first set of errors? (I know about the broadcast layout stuff)

Your shared.json layout file is in the old format, where the top level JSON object is an array instead of an object with named keys

Gotcha

How can you add logic for the max quantity of a consumable-type item? To be specific, how can I make the Seashell House check appear when I've got 20 shells?

Keysanity trackers feature examples of that logic.

look at Emo's pack and see how she has the pedestal appear checkable. That should be what you need. Also, like Natalie said, keysanity has lots of those examples as well.

11:29

but I think it's something like shells: 20 ?

11:29

in the requirements

i would be all over LADX rando if there was a map tracker. i'm excited for your progress muffinjets

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Thanks, I appreciate all the help and support

i played LA a shitton as a kid, but haven't touched it as an adult, so this will be helpful. plus its not like i was 100%'ing it as a kid, so rando is going to have a lot more out of the way places in each seed

So is it as simple as this, or am I missing something? function has_20shells() if has("shells", 20) return 1 else return 0 end end (edited)

11:42

I'm not entirely sure what the "local" at the beginning of some of these lines mean

There are resources for learning Lua on the internet.

11:49

Also, that "has" function is a convenience thing people have written for themselves

11:50

if you look at my pack's location data for keysanity, you 'll see that quantity requirements are specified as codes formatted like item_code:quantity, e.g. pod_smallkey:2

I'm working on a map tracker for The Minish Cap and I wanted to make a function to recognize when Link has a source of damage so I don't have to write out a lot of lines for access rules. I tried making a function in LUA similar to the ones already present for LTTP, but it doesn't seem to work. Is there anything obvious that I'm doing wrong from the code?

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11:51

never mind i'm just dumb, removing the spaces between else and if fixed it

What's wrong with this code here? Shouldn't "Tarin's House" appear in whatever corner 0,0 is set to?

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NEVER MIND I GOT IT AND I COULDN'T BE MORE EXCITED

20:08

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What resources can I use to learn how to get started making a tracker?

I'd say look at Emo's ALttP pack. I'd unzip it and play around with things so see how they work. It's rather straightforward to get started just by looking at that.

18:49

Also, definitely a good idea to use VS Code and use the schemas in the pinned messages

18:52

Doesn't hurt to change the name of the folder after you unzip it and change the package_uid in the manifest.json to match that. Then you can still use the alttp pack.

Does it have to be zipped to test or can I just leave the folder there and edit it live?

You can leave it unzipped.

awesome

the unzipped one takes priority, though, which is why I recommend changing the name of the pack

18:54

But yea, things are fairly self explanatory

Yeah I was gonna try and make one from scratch, but now I'm already kinda repurposing another one LUL

LUL

That's how I made mine LUL

thanks for the help earlier btw

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Do points on the map have to be written by hand or is there some way to automate this?

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23:51

I guess what I'm asking is, is there some way to expedite placing the check location or do I have to type in the x y coords by hand for every single one?

I typed in the x,y coordinates by hand for every one. Not sure if there's another way to do it or not

^

damn alright

There's always a way to expedite the process. I just haven't built one. You're more then welcome to build a tool for placing locations on images tho

I was thinking about it.

04:15

I got sub maps working

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What do I need to do to get a setting to work like in hamsda's oot tracker? I have

Tracker:AddItems("items/options.json")

in the init.lua, i've made the options.json in the items folder with this code. then i use

"visibility_rules":["rando_yes"]

but nothing happens. (edited)

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Does the console say anything?

Nope. It shows that it loads the file

It clearly recognizes that the file is there as I can get the image to show up in the options section and the toggle works, but the check that is supposed to be hidden when this is disabled is not hidden

Could be because of the "allow_disabled"

09:21

because that means it's always active

09:24

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that will be the reason

removing that still doesn't do anything. i can cycle through the options endlessly, but the check doesn't disappear

not sure why you are using a progressive when what you created is essentially a toggle and i'd assume the issue is with the location then

Here is the code for the location

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Can you actually describe what the behavior you’re seeing is? Nearly meaningless things like “nothing happens” make it difficult to reason about what is going on.

10:46

Also, if you had referred to either a working example, or ideally the JSON schemas linked in the pinned messages here, you would've found that visibility_rules is applied to the map_locations entry(s), not the location itself, and has actually been deprecated in favor of two separate attributes for restricting or forcing visibility. (edited)

It works now, I was looking at bladefangs mm tracker to see how that had been set up and I worked from that.

10:51

Thanks for the help

Their pack contains a mixture of working and non-working examples. The attribute is also supported for sections.

10:53

As a general statement, I always recommend referring to my LTTP pack and the JSON schemas as reference. I can't guarantee that any other packs do things 100% correctly.

I have been, but I didn't see the examples of the settings like in hamsda's oot or the mm so i used those as a reference

As far as I can tell, every instance of that attribute being used in Hamsda's pack is correct and working. (edited)

yeah, i just have the deprecated one almost everywhere still

It still works though, and I would give ample notice before actually removing it. The deprecated status just means I recommend using the new more specifically name attributes for new development.

yeah i know

Why doesn't this work? I've got "itemgrid" as an established set, shouldn't this call it as if I had it all written it out here?

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No

17:20

Why would it?

17:20

"key" is not an attribute on item_grid

I had seen it on another tracker, thought it was valid. Is there a way to do what I'm attempting?

layout is a valid type

Gotcha

Again, please refer to the JSON schemas linked in the pins

17:23

They can answer these questions

I've got a question, is it possible to have two tracker objects be referenced within a progressive toggle (essentially possible 4 states)? I'm attempting to make 3 tracker objects show up as one icon in the tracker. Using a composite toggle with left item being one item and the right item being possibly progressive toggle for two items. An example would be combining hookshot with the 2 boomerangs into one icon (although that's not exactly what I'm doing). Do you see any possible way 3 items being trackable in one icon slot? (edited)

There are currently only two input gestures exposed. Left click, and right click.

17:37

Ergo, doing more than two things is not really feasible at all right now, without it being a significant input burden.

Right, I was thinking that the right click could cycle thru the 4 possible scenarios for the 2 items, by way of a progressive toggle

If you don't require more input gestures, than you can build a custom item in Lua.

17:38

See the topic, and the pinned messages.

The pinned messages don't seem to have a lot of info, where can I find "the topic"?

"the topic" is custom items in Lua

Ok, yes, that doesn't really help me since I'm already making plenty of custom items. My question is of one that's advanced usage beyond what's described in the pinned message.

17:49

I was hoping for some clarification or guidance in whether what I'm trying to do is possible or not, and if so, what would be a good way to approach it?

I don't know Lua any more than what I'm learning right now, so I could be speaking out of my ass here, put me in my place if I'm overstepping. But based on what Emo had said prior, there are two input gestures 'exposed' right now. Would you know how to 'expose' a third? I'd say that's a good starting point, based on context

You can implement custom item types in Lua.

17:53

That can do whatever you want.

17:53

And set their icon to whatever you want

17:53

Literally the most recent pinned message is about that.

17:53

And the same link is located in the channel topic.

Ok this is where the disconnect is, lets say I want the 2 boomerangs as a progressive toggle. I add a custom progressive toggle item. When I click on it, it will cycle thru that progression, but how can I get those to set the current boomerang items accordingly during each stage?

You grab those items and manipulate them

17:58

Just like autotracker does

17:59

For which my pack exists as reference

18:01

you also have the option of not using those items (edited)

18:01

and instead providing the codes from your item directly (edited)

Yeah, I'm looking to avoid disregarding the default items so I can avoid rewriting the logic rules. Thru autotracker I see this as fine to do, as you can just modify both items at the same time. But I'm wondering when you manually click one item how you can get it to modify a different item as well.

You don't have to rewrite any of the logic.

18:04

You just have to provide the codes.

18:05

And your question makes no sense, because whether autotracker is running a function or clicking an icon is running a function, it's just running a function

18:05

there is no difference

I guess I need to find where the function call happens when you manually click an item, cuz I'm really only aware of the Memory Watch triggering functions

18:08

I'll do more digging

Have you looked at the most recent message in the pinned messages?

18:08

Like I said to?

Yes

I would suggest that if you are still needing to do more digging, then you didn't. If the answers are unclear after looking at those resources, then this may not be an appropriate level of customization for you to be tackling right now.

In other news, I figured out how to track small keys and dungeon items thru autotracker. If you're interested in it, I've been running with it for a couple months now.

No thank you.

18:11

For the record, the issue has never been not knowing how to do a version of it.

You once told me it was impossible to implement

That's not quite what I said. (edited)

18:13

Regardless, no thank you.

No problem, although I remember your concerns about tracking them in real time, as relative additions, which mine doesn't do, my solution works at any given point, even if you load up a save mid-run and track from there. But if you don't want it, no problem.

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20:14

What am I missing?

20:15

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20:15

Never mind, I found it

In Link's Awakening, freestanding heart pieces can be hookshotted towards you, but you can't hookshot to a chest. In the rando, when a heart piece is shuffled in the pool, a chest will be replaced with the freestanding heart piece. So, is there a way to go, "if the user inputs a heart piece as the captured item for this check, allow them to collect it with the hookshot"? (edited)

11:16

Apologies if this is unclear

I guess packs don't usually track heart pieces/containers in logic... I've also never done anything based on what captured_item is there, but I imagine you can probably write a lua function that looks at the captured item at the location and return true if it's a heart piece and the hookshot is in your possession. I don't do much with lua in my pack though, so take that with a grain of salt.

@MuffinJets as an alternative, maybe you could just mark the locations sequence breakable if you have the hookshot, and that allows the user to mark off the location if it was a heart piece

^that's not a bad idea

12:46

since I reckon heart pieces aren't in the game logic, maybe that's a good solution?

i mean, its technically a sequence break if you have the hookshot

I imagine that one's up to the rando devs as to whether it's a sequence break in the event that health is actually accounted for for some weird tech

12:58

but, being Link's Awakening

12:58

that seems pretty unlikely

12:58

somewhere around 0%

i was thinking more along the lines of "accessing this location" is a sequence break, not whether or not health is accounted for

How can I make it so that a player has an exact amount of a consumable-type item in order for a check to be active?

20:00

To be specific, in LADX, you can get a reward from the Seashell House if you have exactly 5 shells, no more, no less.

Never mind, I found out how Thanks anyway

...why should that location even be relevant? If it's missable, it should absolutely never contain a true progression item, or even nice-to-have such as heart pieces.

21:21

As such... why does it need a location on the map?

Future-proofing, in case that ever does become an item that could exist, or if they become possible to grab without such a specific requirement

So this problem I'm having involves sending multiple screenshots so please be patient as I send them all lol

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15:05

What would I be missing?

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Before I look at this in more detail, why are you using a progressive item for an on/off toggle?

15:12

Beyond that, it's hard to debug code in screenshots.

I did a progressive item for an on/off toggle so that each stage could have a seperate code

15:14

I can upload the files here if that would be easier

that would be easier, zipped please

Will do

15:14

ladx_maptracker_muffinjets.zip

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15:18

Both screenshots of code happen a the very bottom of their respective files

15:20

Or near the bottom, at least

I recommend looking carefully at the type field of your item that's not working

15:31

And always double checking your JSON to make sure it says what you think it says when something's not working

Big oof, I see it now

15:34

Thank you

I have a setting to distinguish "simple dungeon tracking" (just displaying the number of non-dungeon item checks) and "advanced dungeon tracking" (displaying the accessibility and names of each individual check in the dungeon) I know how to set this up and I already have done so, but my question to you guys is what icon/symbol I should use, because I'm spacing out as to how this can be represented

You could do something like this with the map sprite and the game's font. (edited)

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I like it

If I wanted to make something similar to composite toggle where one item is progressive and the other is a toggle, I'd need to make a custom item, correct?

I'm pretty sure you can just set the left and right item to each, without having to make a full custom item

the way i understand the composite toggle is that both items involved have to be toggles. When looking at the schema it looks like each image can only have 2 states, but for what i want to do, i'd need more states for one of them

I'm pretty sure progressive handles very similarly in that each click just advances the progression to the next state, it's the same as if you typed !hud left_item and !hud right_item in your chat

But the thing is with composite toggle is that the left and right only take booleans. Since one of the items is progressive, it always gives false to the composite toggle, so it never cycles images.

you would need to make a custom item type to do that

so i just started to customize my layout a little for my tracker, i found the files and json is easy to read. Do they need to get zipped to be used by EmoTracker or is a folder structure possible as well? (which is easier for development)

also what is common.json for, it seems like it has duplicated entries for me, which are not used as all? since i just changed my first item and i had to put it into dungeon items.json as well, so common.json wasn't enough

19:55

?

If you’re just customizing layout for an existing pack, you should just export overrides for the files you’re changing and edit the override versions

19:56

What pack are you editing?

Raikaru's and Atz oot Rando pack

19:56

reordering the layout basically removing some items

Okay. You’d have to check with them about that file - its possible that it’s legacy cruft and their init.lua doesn’t load it anymore

so i just need ot edit the dungeon_items.json? wouldn't it be smart to have all variants actually in 1 file instead of a sub structure and only add specific and new items to my layout version? so i rather want to edit the common.json instead of the dungeon_items.json

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Tracker:AddItems("items/common.json") Tracker:AddItems("items/dungeon_items.json") Tracker:AddLayouts("layouts/tracker.json") Tracker:AddLayouts("layouts/broadcast.json")

That's the init.lua

It all depends on how they have it organized. EmoSaru just provides the app that reads it all and puts it together.

is there any link to like a tutorial or a collection of such apps? because i barely found information before coming here and i feel like i ask questions, which are already asked in the past, but hard to find

Not currently, and I’m not sure what you mean by “such apps”. EmoTracker is THE app in this case. The recommend for people wanting to learn this stuff is to break down and tinker with existing packs, which you’re already doing.

It looks like their init.lua is referencing files that don't exist. So, I guess it depends on which variant you want to alter.

What i understood was, that there is a app for easier editing the common.json and dungeon_items.json files. Like a visual editor of some sort, i'm already making my way through what i need, since i expect only to create 1 layout, i just modify the dungeon_items.json

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And i created my own variant right now, by copying some files over to a new folder (edited)

Did you mean: VS Code

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(as mentioned in the pinned messages)

There is no visual layout editor, but there are text editors with good support for json formatting, like vs code

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If you’re just changing layouts, you shouldn’t need to edit the item definitions... just the layouts.

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If you’re actually adding new items, or changing the way items function, that’s different

yeah i use vs code already, thanks for the advice. I'm already an expert at java script and json, so i get my way along. The raikaru pack doesn't seem to have a image for a din's fire and faroreswind combined, does anyone have a link for that, or can tell me what other pack combined those too, so i can copy their json over (i need the image as well obviously)?

din's fire and faroreswind combined

I don't think any of the packs have an image for those two combined. Farore's Wind and Nayru's Love don't really affect logic afaik, so for compact layouts, it's easier to just get rid of them and leave Din's Fire. (edited)

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It wouldn't be that difficult to make an icon using photoshop or something like that.

I can't think of a single potential logic-altering application for Farore's Wind.

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So it makes absolutely no sense to fold the icon into an item that does have bearing on logic.

well farores is handy for some tricks, so it's generally a useful item, which i would track, so people know that i can use the tricks in shadow temple, water and such

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so it's defintely an item i would look out for

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i gussed there would be an image for for it, since the rando tournaments have that in their tracker (which is a custom build one)

Keep in mind that you have two layouts in EmoTracker - the tracker layout, and your broadcast layout.

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If you are capturing the broadcast view, you can leave items YOU want to track without necessarily needing them on stream

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Not sure if that’s relevant to what you’re trying to do

Nothing is stopping you from, say, stripping out every item but the bare minimum for your go mode on the broadcast view.

that's true and a handy feature, but the main reason why i change the layout is because i usually want to focus more on the game and less on tracking, so broadcast and my layout are the same for only "needed" items (which are useful and nice to have, since they alter the way i run the game). So big goron sword while not logically important most of the times, is still good to have, since it changes some bossfight strats, same for farores, it basically makes me route in another way more often

It’s your call, but as a general rule, stacking two items one icon has a tendency to increase tracking effort, not decrease it, so I’m not sure if you’re heading down a productive path if that’s your issue. I don’t understand why the broadcast and tracker layouts being the same is relevant, but it’s your workflow so

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yeah splitting those up to track better is actually a smart move, but for combined tracks like boots and tunics, do they work on broadcast view, so if i have them seperate in my view and combined on the broadcast view? if so how does it know if both are tracked on my view?

If they are composite toggles based on existing toggles, yes

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If not, no, although you could use Lua scripting to keep them in sync

seems like i found the combined image: https://ootr-tracker.firebaseapp.com/Spells3.png

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for everyone searching in the future

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thanks @EmoSaru i will see how my tracking effort works and if it's too much with the combined ones, then i rather get the singular option done. i'm close to finish my layout now and i guess i have everything i need setup

As someone who isn't colorblind, that just looks like a coloring error.

yeah it's flawed

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but it's the one some people are using, so i will now as well

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thanks for the help ,i finished my work i guess, so heading to sleep right now, gn8

Ah, I didn't think to check other trackers. I was just checking the EmoTracker packs.

Thanks for the tip, I made a basic edit to figure out how it works, it didn't crash, now I just gotta make it look exactly like I want to jansusBlush

jansusBlush

is there a way of making a condition true if an item is not acquired?

Can probably just write a Lua function that outputs true if the item value is false and vice versa. Then call that function in your locations

yeah that makes sense

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i'm doing key logic for minish cap in dws, if you don't have the gust bellows then key progression is linear but if you have gust then everything can be done out of order

Yeah, Lua is the way to do it

Is there any ALttPR customization already out there that allows you to select what medallions are needed for MM and TR? Only wonder since my OCD wants the auto-tracking to light up go-mode (or even dungeon accessibility) when it actually is/they are accessible instead of when I collect all or the vanilla-needed medallions... Or am I just blind?

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Right-click the medallion.

hmm musta missed it then when I was looking around at it. Will have to double-check that when i get home

. Thanks!

Blind is in Thieves’ Town.

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is there a view to costumize the broadcaster view so that the order is following: [Item] [Map #1] [Map #2]

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some like in https://discordapp.com/channels/386961931988369418/388167481916653571/446560469860483074

You can do that be exporting an override for the broadcast layout (the specific file to override will depend on the pack you're using) and editing the resultant JSON file.

ahh thank you Saru ;) figured it out somehow after 2 coffee, thanks for the export tip :3 (edited)

I'm making a toggle_badged item with a progressive item as the base. My current issue is that the badge part (on right click) does not show up on a specific image used in the progression regardless of its position in the progression sequence. Is there something I'm doing wrong? I can post the code if that will help.

It seems like it’s an issue with the image as I’ve now encountered other problems with just that image while trying various fixes

Send me your pack as a zip with instructions on what to look for. I can try to see what's up.

not sure how this was the cause, but i just remembered that for whatever reason, the sprite for that particular item was 17x17 instead of 16x16. I'd doubled the item sprites sizes to look better, so it was then 34x34. cropping it down to 32x32 fixed it (edited)

let me check something

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ah, yes

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the overlay processing code bails if the image sizes don't match

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I'll make a note to output a debug message to the console when that happens

sounds good. idk why capcom decided they needed the extra pixel for that particular item but pieShrug

pieShrug

Typical Capcom... lol

I ran into a similar situation when I found out that heart pieces in LADX are 16x15 lol

Always assume that a sprite is a multiple of 8px

Hello there! I’ve been good and read the FAQ, which lead me to this Channel. I saw in the documentation on the website that you can change the gray background to transparent, but I have no clue how to do so. Is there a step by step, or guide I can follow? Or can someone point me to where to change it?

You can't use a transparent background for Broadcast View without first installing whatever plugin is necessary for your stream software to handle NDI video sources

I was actually just using the regular view and cropping it down

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If that helps?

if you enable broadcast view, it streams the content of that window automatically as NDI with transparent background

But first I’ll need the plugin to OBS to handle NDI sources?

That doesn't help at all. The Broadcast View is created specifically to solve a lot of problems, including inconsistent capturing of the main window.

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Yes. You need a plugin for OBS to accept NDI.

it's fairly simple to set up, it adds a Source type called "NDI source" or sth

Gotcha. So get the plugin, broadcast view, add the source as NDI

and automatically detects all NDI streams you have running and lists them as a dropdown

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it's great

Okay, thank you! I’ll give it a go

There are a few optimizations to make NDI video sources a little crisper, but I forget the details

they looked fine when I used them - what do you mean specifically?

https://github.com/Palakis/obs-ndi/releases/tag/4.6.2 is this the one? I only ask for sure, becuase Virustotal.com says it has three malicious engines in the .exe file, which gives me pause to install it

Palakis/obs-ndi

Network A/V in OBS Studio. Contribute to Palakis/obs-ndi development by creating an account on GitHub.

my virus software doesn't say anything; additionally I don't know much about virustotal.com's standards, but this library DOES open a network interface (for streaming), which in itself might already be a red flag for some

13:57

I've been using it for some time and it is fine

good enough for me. VirusTotal has been flagging almost everything I've downloaded and then checked with them lately, so I'm probably gonna stop using it.

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a VN, EmoTracker itself, now this

13:59

thanks!

it's also linked on the OBS website, and is [Featured] there. That being said, I do not know how well-curated their resource list is

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okay glad we could help!

It all worked! Thank you kindly for the assistance!

i use OBS there are great

So, I'm sure that this is basic and I'm probably missing something simple. I'm trying to adjust the size of the icons for the PugHUD keysanity tracker. I've successfully adjusted the size of the item icons using the "item_height" and "item_width" lines in the json, however I can not for the life of me figure out how to change the dungeon and the key/big key icons. I've tried doing the same with them using the "item_height" and "item_width" lines, but it doesn't do anything. I have a shaky hand and sometimes it's very difficult for me to click precisely on those smaller Icons. Any help would be greatly appreciated. (edited)

Honestly, for the keysanity tracker, I've found it easier to keep the original icon sizes and just add "scale": 2, to the whole thing.

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Add that to the parent array so it affects all the item grids.

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If you want more exact control though, I believe the actual key items are square icons, so those use "item_size" instead of "item_height" and "item_width" (edited)

Thank you

I'm having some issues with NDI and I think it's because of the new update to 4.0. I recently updated my PC and was re-installing everything. the NDI SDK version is now 4.0. I downloaded it and the latest OBS Plug-in (4.70). I no longer get the NDI indication in EmoTracker when broadcast view is open.

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I'm assuming this is just a result of new NDI version. but figured i'd post.

I have not updated to the latest NDI yet, but it should still work unless they borked something bad

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I will take a look though, thank you for the report

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Possibly dumb question - have you rebooted your machine since installing all the updated NDI stuff?

yes

21:03

i tried looking for an old install of 3.8 but was unable to find one

NDI is generally 100% forwards and backwards compatible, so I'm pretty shocked by this

could be something screwed up on my end. this is a totally new pc install. just figured i'd report. (edited)

Fair, and yeah - I just installed the updated obs-ndi (which also installs the NDI 4 runtime) and things appear to be working correctly for me with the current release version of emotracker.

i'm going to try completely deleting my overrides folder, since i migrated it from my previous install. and try again

I just installed the entire thing yesterday and it is working for me too.

I no longer get the NDI indication in EmoTracker when broadcast view is open.

stupid question: does it appear in the list of available NDI sources in OBS? Broadcast view alone shouldn't give you the icon, only if the source is actively read/NDI is connected

Also an excellent question.

that's what it was. I had to update my OBS layout's connection to emotracker as a source, even though the source was still added when i loaded my saved layout

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thanks, sorry for the trouble.

21:22

New PC build problems feenHappy

feenHappy

no worries

hey im working on making a pack, and i havent been able to figure out how to get items to show up in the 'capture menu'

the capture popup is filled with the contents of a reserved layout name - tracker_capture_item. I always recommend using my pack for reference, as it shows how this works.

alright, thanks! i looked through the lttp pack but just completely missed that haha

Is there a way to make the recap stay longer?

not currently

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it's somewhere near the bottom of the my todo list

I can't get a setting to show up for some reason

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on rikku's mm tracker

@Hamsda where is the pinned location stuff for your map tracker stored

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what file

i dont understand what you mean

where are the pinned locations

i still dont understand pinned locations is something you make use of

it was in layouts.json

20:55

you could have said that

20:56

anyways aside from that

20:56

why are some of the checks for the fairies being cut off

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even though it's full screen and not a window size issue

that is not even my pack

...I know...

20:57

I was trying to figure out where your pinned layout was so I could reference how you made it...

I'm failing to see what the objective here is.

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Pinned locations is literally just a pane.

21:15

Are you asking about the map

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and locations on the map

to move my question into the proper channel, I currently have the platform for my pack set to GBA, does the capitalization matter? (edited)

I don’t believe so (edited)

if it still doesn't work, I can test it this evening and send you the basic setup

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(uh....in about 8h)

that would be great thanks

sent you the file

08:51

shows the (pretty nonfunctional) icon :D

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heyo its me, so im currently working on a hollowknight pack, and my layout is doing some weird things.

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it seems like my icons arent centering properly.

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this is how my layout is set up

are all the images used by the item grid the same size?

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if not, make them the same size

17:50

if you want to use inconsistently sized images with centering, you would need to build the grid yourself out of array elements, fixed size container elements, and then individual item elements (edited)

hmm, alright

Is there a way to customize it so blue spots can be hidden along with the gray and red spots?

Not currently

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your only option would be to override the location definitions to remove those accessibility cases

22:38

but I wouldn't recommend that as a general rule

Im colorblind. is there any way that i can change some of the colors around because im having a hard time seeing the difference between the green orange and yellow

@AppleJuicer see https://discordapp.com/channels/386961931988369418/422107004560080896/456932364002525185

Hello, I am trying to start customizing the tracker, such an amazing tool. I am new to Json, but it doesnt seem that hard. I was following the steps someone posted previously to add the item tracker as well as broadcast viewer the Item chest per dungeon.

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The thing is, the Editor i Am using, XML Validator buddy, gives me an error for the items common.json , but not for the broadcast one. I believe amother things its because it starts with // (but im clueless about this things). The broadcast did update correctly, even though all the items except the pendands dissapeared, as well as all the other items. pendants do appear twice, I guess that will fix itself once the items code are correctly inputed.

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As you can see, Item broadcast is changing, but common.json has an error once I Open it. Maybe I should another editor? Sorry if this ix explained somewhere else, this is all quite new and a bit overwhelming.

it's because the files are basically .jsonc files (json with comments)

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if you can tell that program that it should interpret them as .jsonc it should be fine

07:22

otherwise I'd recommend getting a better program

gonna download Visual Code Studio now, saw on privous comments

Seems to be working now, thanks

08:06

maybe you could pin that Visual Code Studio is recommended or in the faq, didnt see it that quickly and its awesome!

quite a few of us may use it, but there is an endless amount of programs that do the job rooShrug

rooShrug

yes, but the ones I found were terrible

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So I am getting the hang of it, and already got the item tracker as I wanted with the chests for each Dungeon. One question, would it be poosible to assign to the map, instead of item counts of location, to be the same number as the item count for each code I made for each dungeon chests?

not currently

09:52

those two things are not directly linkable at this time

09:52

for map trackers, I genuinely recommend just using the chest tracking support in locations

09:52

I understand the desire some people have for chest indicators

09:52

in the items area

09:52

and it's possible to do as a read-only thing

09:52

but not as a read-write thing

Ok, no problem, thank you

I'm trying to make the colorblind file and i think i may just be dumb. Would this work? [ { "accessibility_partial": "#228b22" }, { "accessibility_sequencebreak": "#ff4500" }, { "accessibility_normal": "#006400" } ]

You’ve got way too many braces. The contents of the file should be a single json dictionary.

Is there a way to change/manipulate the image a specific map is using? Either conditional in json or through lua?

You can export overrides for any file in any pack. Check in the advanced section of the menu. Depending on what you’re changing, you would potentially also need to reposition all the locations on that map, but if you’re just editing the same image, it’s likely straightforward.

I meant live, as in as a reaction to an item. You'll do a certain check (i.e. grab a dummy item) and the world map changes in response

No, that is not currently doable.

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It’s possible for me to support in the future, and I plan to expose things like that, but i don’t have a timeline for it.

okay, no problem. It's more of an eye candy feature for my use case anyway.

ah

@AppleJuicer there is an example file in the message describing the feature in #faq

yeah I've seen it I just havent done that much in the way of coding or scripting so i wasnt really sure what to do

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but even putting the example file in my EmoTracker folder doesn't change the sequence break color to magenta

i was using the wrong folder nevermind

has anyone had problems applying overrides ever since the new version? I opened up the LTTPR standard map tracker, exported my layout override, and made some changes and nothing happened

define "the new version"

2.3.6.6

steps to reproduce: with no other overrides, i exported \layouts\tracker.json. i edited the very first item, "bowandarrows" and changed it to "lift1." saved, refreshed emo tracker, and nothing changed

What pack variant are you using?

standard map tracker

Ah, I see what's going on here.

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The fact that the piece of layout you're overriding is still in that file is an error.

14:24

To modify the item grid, please override the appropriate layouts/items.json

14:24

I will remove the problematic section from the pack

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FYI, it's not an issue with the new application version. It's the restructure of the pack layouts.

cool. since the new pack came out at the same time as the new application i couldn't tell which one was causing the issue

yep, fair.

14:32

the latest update to the pack has the confusing sections removed, thanks for reporting it

Text as an element? I am definitely looking forward to this.

Did the recent emotracker update change the behaviour of restrict_visibility_rules on map_locations?

06:28

It seems to be doing the opposite now

Instead of restricting the location to only be visible when the conditions have been met, it seems like it will NOT be visible if the conditions are met.

Yes it did

This was an unintentional behavior flip, based on a misunderstanding. I'm going to correct this now.

The changes I made to restrict_visibility_rules were done incorrectly based on me misunderstanding the existing behavior in the code and flipping it. I've just released an update correcting this - I have restored the old behavior for restrict_visibility_rules, and added a new field force_invisibility_rules to handle the thing it was doing in the last update (schemas have been updated). Apologies for the noise.

As part of this change, anything that would force the location to be invisible overrides force_visibility_rules. That includes not matching restrict_visbility_rules and matching force_invisibility_rules (edited)

@Hamsda see above; OoTR pack was affected, I assume

Just wanted to thank everyone who has explained NDI sources in the past in this channel. I was able to just search for how to make the broadcast window transparent on my stream without bothering anyone. Y'all fab claphd

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Whoa, the search worked for once.

hi @EmoSaru , for locations we have location.Owner.ModifiedByUser to check if it has been user-modified; do items have a counterpart to that?

Nope. It’s something I can consider adding, but basically the more of this type of stuff you do, the more complicated it gets for autotracker implementations to correctly handle resets and save-scumming, so I’m not adding more of that type of stuff without well thought out requests/lobbying from pack devs.

Thank you. One more question: for a given location, is it possible to specifiy/set the capture item with lua?

It is, Hamsda's ZOoTR pack does that when you enable/disable certain items being at their vanilla location.

neat, will check it out

Is it difficult to make a custom pack for terraria speedruns? Does anyone take commissions to make them?

I believe there’s already a pack for Terraria. If you have specific requests, it might be worth contacting the author of that one?

Hmm, I didn’t see it listed with the other packs

Oh my bad

11:18

I was thinking Terranigma

Some packs don't get submitted to the package manager, but instead float around as manual downloads from the community.

11:18

Also, was going to say.

This isn’t for a randomizer, but the terraria categories I run are pretty similar to a rando

Terraria as a speedgame is a strange concept, if you ask me, and there isn't much value to having a tracker for it, even for viewer information on stream. Regardless, creating one should be incredibly simple as there is no logic required, just item objects.

Just want a simple one that shows the bosses I have/haven’t killed yet

How difficult it is depends on your background.

11:21

Generally speaking though, that is definitely on the "easy" side of things.

I see, thank you

The place to start, as always, will be investigating any Items Only package, including the official LttPR package variant, to learn how it's built.

11:27

You'll need to be comfortable with writing JSON data and have a bit of an intuitive sense of how what you write will change what you see.

Normally I love learning new stuff like this but atm I don’t think I have the time. Might be easier to just pay someone already experienced lol

It looks like each boss does have summoning items and other potential requirements. EmoTracker packs don’t always need to be for randomizers. This game looks like it could benefit with the potential complexity of what you’re looking for. I don’t have time now, but it definitely looks feasible using inventory items, stat counts, and use of a “map” that could outline the different bosses on a simple coordinate system.

hey everyone, i'm pretty good and modifying the way the tracker layout looks but this one is driving me bonkers because the icons won't line up like i want them to

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here's a picture explaining what i'm trying to do

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https://i.imgur.com/PPQxGU5.png

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since the song of time icon holds no bar on the tracker, i feel i should have it gone off the tracker which allows me to set up the thing like so. alternatively i suppose i could keep it on and put it between the dungeon boss masks

14:06

would the adding back of the song of time and putting it there make it fit correctly?

yes, it fixed it

14:49

thanks anyway

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If you want blank spots in the tracker, you can just put an empty set of " " in the code as well

oh.... i was wondering what those were in the json lol

Looking at this picture, if you don't want Song of Time on there, you can just delete the item name, but leave the quotes and it'll leave a hole

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Yea, basically the quotes just say "make an entry in this row" whether or not its populated

i have a very, very basic usability question for you:

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now that you've deviated from the approximate shape of the mask screen

14:52

how are you ever going to find the item you want to track

ThinkDorm

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just because I made the layout more square and compact doesn't mean the pictures are harder to see and notice what they are

14:59

i know people would go berzerk trying to read that layout but my mind works better when everything's compact rather than spread out

Hello, I am really trying to cusomize my broadcast view, had some succes but cant really get one thing done. I have set up the map in the broadcast view and I am customizing a bit the layout of the broadcast view, this is what I have

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I managed to put the map on the left, and customized a bit the items, what i Would want now is the recent pins to appear below the items, something like this (mockup)

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more items would just be puting more than 2 items guess, but I cant for my live manage to put the recent pins below the items, I tried creating a second array or dock. this would be my code. Help would be really appreciated

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Weill I didnt manage this but I did solve it in another way

the issue is that when I pinned it would change the size of the windows and mess up OBS, but what I did was make the items more vertical rows, and put a background of the same color on OBS, so the layout doesnt change with or with out pins (edited)

06:27

might move a bit more the items but quite happy with the result

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You can constraint the size of things by manually specifying width and height. I recommend doing that for any dynamically sized or growing elements on your broadcast view.

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I strongly recommend that folks refer to the json schemas linked in the pinned messages.

I'm looking over the schemas and trying to find where the option for using text instead of images is located. I want to replace my label "images" with straight up text. Am I either misreading the schema or misremembering the changelog about future text support?

"future" is the word you're misinterpreting here. Some of the groundwork has been laid, but it is not ready for people to really start using yet, as it's not customizable, etc.

Size did work, the problem I was having was getting the pinned items below the other items. I will look more up into the schemes but it is quite intimidiating. Big thanks for everything

Is there a way to keep a capture item in its slot when the chest is cleared? (In the same vein: is it possible for a captured item on a cleared chest to show its current progression instead of the next possible progression step). I'm trying to use EmoTracker to keep track of the location of every important item when watching a race.

Neither of those are available right now.

When changing the state of an item, when does tracker_on_accessibility_updated() trigger? Before any lua functions used in locations.json, after all of them, or undefined/could be anywhere?

09:25

I need to update some caching variables before the access rules lua functions are triggered.

It's called after all locations' accessibilities have been refreshed, which can occur in response to manipulating an item (after). This includes any dependent refreshes, which can be caused by e.g. lua expressions with side effects or certain types of location-accessibility references. There is no script function triggered prior to this process unless the item in question is a Lua custom item implementation, in which case the refresh is triggered when item.Icon is updated or when item:InvalidateAccessibility() is called. (edited)

09:35

I'm not sure what caching you're trying to do, but be aware that the tracker already caches the results of any given Lua expression during a single logic evaluation pass.

I'm trying to build a script that converts logic straight from the randomizer source code into usable lua. The problem is that a direct conversion is horribly slow and prone to breaking due to circular logic. So I'm trying to implement "smart" accessiblity updates by only triggering the parts that are affected by the changed item and have the rest of the locations just grab their old values from the cache table instead of trying to reevalute every time.

09:55

That's why I need a lua function call after the item update and before the location update.

09:56

Heck, I'd also take a way to hack one into the location updates, if I can guarantee that it runs first every time. (edited)

So, I’ll consider adding a pre-update lua hook, but it’s a very low priority request. With all due respect, I’m generally not super concerned with or supportive of this type of project, as the logic system as it currently exists is designed precisely to avoid issues with performance and logical ambiguities that require iterative solves.

I created a tracker for the cv2 rando a while ago and it was working in v2.3.6.4 but it doesn't show up in installed packages in the new versions. Was there an update to the way packages need to be setup?

You need to do a manual reinstall

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There should be something in #announcements

We might need a new addition to #faq

are the schemas outdated? Couldn't find any mention of capture_item_layout in them.

I updated some of them recently, but I will check.

what determines how map elements in an array are scaled with window height/width/both? It seems to be somewhat based on the 'orientation' property of the array, but I also know that plain maps can scale in any direction (but do have the annoying tendency to switch horizontal/vertical orientation on their own). Does anybody know of a way to have maps with fixed orientation that scale in both directions?

Map elements are naturally an array, and support displaying multiple maps (all maps or a list of map names) in a single instance. Is there a reason you're managing them in another array? Internally, each map element is a viewbox, so they expand to fill whatever space is left for them. I noticed a missing entry from the schemas, which I've now corrected. map elements support an orientation property, for which the default is auto, but can be switched to horizontal or vertical if you would like to prevent them from switching when the aspect ratio changes.

Ah, I see. The orientation property for maps was just what I was looking for

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Thanks, now I can finally remove those useless array elements

10:21

To answer your question: I used the array to get the maps into fixed orientation because I didn't know map elements can set their own orientation

Is it intended behaviour that the capture item popup only goes from the vertical mouse position to the farther edge of the screen and will cut off its contents if they are too big? (instead of deviating from the mouse position and adjusting its start and end y coordinates to fit on screen)

I'll have to check the way it's configured, but it currently uses a standard windows popup positioning mechanism. No special casing AFAIK.

Does anybody have a complete list of members/functions that are provided by the Tracker object?

Check the schema pinned here

Since when are there lua schemas?

for months

I can only see JSON schemas

that reminds me is there something up with the location schema, emo? it does not seem to suggest item_count anymore when I edit locations, but also doesn't flag it as wrong.

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oh sorry, I misread your question

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theres nothing like schemas for lua

yeah, that's why I was pretty surprised when you said there has been a lua schema here for months

I don't think theres a way for us to inspect all of them, since they are inside a userdata table

yeah, I already hit that roadblock, so I was hoping that maybe Emo published a list or something similar some time ago that got lost in time.

Oooh, my bad, I also misread it lol

I do not have a published list. There's LOTS you can do due to the nature of how things are exposed to Lua, but a lot those things are not in states where I consider them APIs I'm willing to commit to supporting going forward. As a general rule, if my official pack, or any other published pack uses it, I'm okay with it. I'm not publishing an exhaustive list, because I only advertise capabilities currently when people ask whether something is possible or not and I make the decision that it's a) possible and b) doable in a way I'm willing to support long-term.

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I can understand the frustration there, but the Lua integration was really originally intended for adding custom logic expressions that were too difficult to add normally via tree-flattening. Things beyond that have all come from creator requests, including custom items (which example code is available for in the topic and pins).

Is it possible to have layout referencing other files? If I want my item grid, setting grids and map grid all on separate files, can I do that?

yeah you can, you give it type = layout and key = [name]

OK thanks, off to re-organize my things a bit

How does modifiedByUser work? Can it be used to detect whether a captured item has been cleared by getting the item (leftclick chest / rightclick location) or by clicking the clear button in the capture dialog?

I believe currently it only tracks when the user clears the location by right clicking it. It’s unfortunately named, was introduced specifically to allow people to tell autotracker not to bring locations back, and it’s a tricky balance.

found another bug in the layouts.json schema. canvax_x and canvas_y don't work. The correct names are canvas_left and canvas_top

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also, is there a way to make button_popup only react to clicking on non-transparent areas?

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I tried using button_popups with non-rectangular images (PNGs with transparent background) in a canvas, but the transparent parts of the top layer prevent clicking the non-transparent parts of lower layers

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tldr: is there something like mask_input (the item properity) for button_popup?

I will fix the schemas - thanks for that! Mask input is not there for the popup, but I will add it in the next release.

great! thanks

when customizing...is it recommended to alter an existing pack or create a new one from scratch using the same settings? My end goal is adding a sm key counter to a pack that has dungeon items.

I'd recommend the former. It's what almost (if not all) of us here have done

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find one that does similar to what you want and build from there. Emo's pack is the standard reference

thanks @deserteagle417. I'll see if I can figure it out!

is it possible to toggle fast tooltip on when a pack loads? iconizing something that isn't an item is hard, and I think having it on when pack loads help

I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking for a way for a specific pack to have the default be "on" for that setting?

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If so, I'm not a fan of that, because I generally don't like loading packs to change application-level settings unexpectedly. (edited)

15:46

It takes two seconds for somebody to enable it.

ok, I'll add the recommendation on the item grid header then

That's your call, although I wouldn't recommend it because I don't think it's necessary and for aesthetic reasons.

‍♀️

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You can also just consider adding a documentation link to your pack if it's distributed on the package server.

not yet, work in progress, in alttp analogy, I'm essentially trying to make an icon to show you have access to say, South Dark World

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as part of mock entrance rando tracker

K. Well, as a general rule, my approach is to solve learning problems with learning solutions, and not impact usability/readability/aesthetics the rest of the time.

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But it's your pack, and it's your call.

making locations as items is already a lot easier than the original idea of making transition as items.

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maybe there is a better way, but I have not yet find it

Is there a way to "capture" an item and display it on the tracker itself, rather than a Section item from a MapLocation? If not, do you see this as something that could be possible thru a custom lua item?

Pinned Locations kinda do that?

Just for reference, I'm looking into the possibility of building some kind of 2D sphere progression grid, where you have a grid of blank icons to which you can populate it with items thru the capture functionality (edited)

The Z1R pack has some sorcery that may guide you on your way.

You're talking about that Dungeon Map using the Dungeon Palette?

I think so? It lets you like paint a map somehow.

Hmm, it seems like it could be a bit clunky to use, but I guess it could work. Thanks Mike, that is a creative way to do it! But I'll wait to hear if there might be a better method that uses that capture functionality, or if there's a way to build our own "pop-up" type windows (edited)

Sounds good. Emo would likely have to add something to the base app to let that happen, but it’s definitely an idea. :D

There are not directly usable item capture spots currently

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but I will consider adding it in a future version

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Might be a strange ask, two items, two different icon, same code in Json, is it possible?

It's possible, but there are consequences. I need more context to advise on what makes sense or doesn't.

so I mentioned before I was using "Location access as item you can 'get'" to mock entrance randomizer support.

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We also have random starting location

that sounds dangerous, what would Tracker:HasObjectForCode even return in that case?

We are wondering if it's possible to mark that separately

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while updating what area you initially have access when you change your starting location

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or: "What area item you have"

why do they need the same code though?

because those would be the same item, albeit on the different position of the grid, having different picture due to their purpose

Let me see if I got this right: you have a starting location item, that can be in multiple locations and should have different icon for each location?

it shouls cycle through all the current possibbility

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and yes, different icon for different location

cycle through?

like how you cycle through the Ether medallion to mark it as MM, TR, both

and what it cycles through should change based on what's currently accessible?

no, but I want it to link to other items in the grid

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say the icon is "starting weapon"

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which cycle through sword, axe and lance

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and sword, axe and lance are all collectable item in the randomizer.

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I want it to link to those items as it cycles

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when you cycled it to axe, the rest dims and axe lits up as collected

ah, I think I see

you should only do it at the beginning of a seed, so i don't plan to support oddities if you change it mid seed

do you need the ability through cycle through at all times, or only in thebeginning?

03:39

nvm

thinking the same question:)\

so, you can choose one and only one starting weapon at the beginning

yes

03:40

usually you only know it whhen you startt the seed

why not make it seperate items and hide them with force-invisibility when one item has been picked?

Multiple items can provide the same code. GetProviderCountForCode will add them all up.

I currently have a hack that has those "location as items" both a claimable chest and an item, which the claimable chest hosts

03:42

but that requires additional user input to you know, actually claim the location

Any call that resolves a code to a specific item returns the first match

03:43

So, for example, if you have more than one item providing a code, each of those items still needs at least one unique code each to use for placing them in item grids, etc.

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That’s how crystals/pendants work in my pack.

@blasteg as hosted item?

yes

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like, StartingItemAxe the chest hosts Axe

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and the cycle will change the chest's availability

That seems best done with Lua

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But I don’t fully understand what you’re trying to do, and it’s definitely not the behavior things were designed for

03:45

Anyway, sleep time for me

gn

does it have to cycle?

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A pick-one can also be realized by offering multiple options and then cutting accessiblity and visibilty for the rest after one choice has been picked

03:49

otherwise, your best bet may be a custom item (-->sdk in pinned messages) and have the custom code update the other items

I'd prefer cycle to save on space (the location hack already added 60 something items)

03:52

but multiple options can work too

If you don't mind, can you pm me your current pack? Now I'm really curious how you approach the entrance issue

what colors of location is claimable? only green and blue right

Green is you can get it with the items you have Orange is you can get some things but not all Blue is you can see what item is there, but not get it Yellow is you can get it, but it’s breaking logic Red is you can’t get it

I know, but I'm probably not using these definition in my pack, entrance shuffle and UX is hard

This stuff is in FAQ

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Anytime you deviate from expectations it's going to be confusing

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So

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Try to minimize that

I know. in my defense, tracker wouldn't let know which transition got shuffled to which, and has them being unclaimable red is a little problematic

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so I'm considering using blank requirement blues instead

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*Can't track a transition you just walk out of because tracker think it's not available

Not sure exactly what you mean, and if you get something reasonable that's neat, but I'm just gonna say there are reasons why I haven't been advocating for people trying to hack entrance support into the existing framework in confusing ways.

I see in the latest update, there was the added ability to have a link to documentation. I didn't see an example of where this link should be put. I'd assume it's a new type in the manifest.json?

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I know, I know. but entrance is the most played format in our rando, so a tracker without it wouldn't do much

Documentation links are done via the package distribution setup. When your pack is ready for release, you will get the info about that. In the meantime, you can point it to any webpage, so feel free to prepare your documentation however you please.

So I havent played inna few months. Has the mupencore been fixed? Or is ParaLLEI still the go to? I remember just having some issues with parallei where youd see through the world but mupen just hated me period and it was issues being looked into. Using RA.

You're probably better off asking that in the ZOOTR Discord, this is just the Discord for Emotracker.

am I crazy or did "item_count" disappear from the locations schema?

ye i reported that recently as well

Lua: What's the quickest way to get a valid code for an item object? ( location.CapturedItem only returns the native lua object, not a code string which I need as table index)

There's not currently a query for that, although it's a little problematic because presumably you need a UNIQUE code for it.

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What are you trying to do?

that's not a problem, since the items in question only have one code

yeah, but I can't implement a query that only works for items with one code

the first code only?

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but that begs the question: what is the first code in a multi codes item

Anywhere they're stored, they're generally in the order they were specified, except that code inheritance in some item types makes that less obvious.

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Regardless, the function you need doesn't exist properly right now.

14:29

So I'm trying to understand the actual generalized requirement and what you're trying to do.

I'm trying to retrieve what items are stored in CapturedItems (entrance rando)

if the names are also unique, you should have access to that

names are unique

14:31

how do I access the name?

Should just be item.Name I think

okay, great! that works for me, thanks

I now have an item (or setting, rather) that makes more sense to have a code active when it's not checked (dimmed). What's the best way to do this?

you can change the inital_active_state of a toggle item to be on by default

I know, but I want the code be active when the item is off

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and vice versa

and that's what initial active state does

06:20

how item looks then is just a question of applying image mods in reverse

oooooh I get it now. Brilliant

another alternative would be using a progressive or progressive_toggle

mhmm, I did that with some other settings

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I'll think over how I would do it over the next few days

Does "auto_pin_capturing_locations": false still work? It doesn't seem to do anything.

it's an ancient setting that still exists in my pack because I'm a dingus and doesn't exist in the code anymore. It got migrated to a user setting, and supporting both a pack setting and a user setting leads to interesting logical things.

Huh. Unpin on clear on the other hand still works and sets the default value for the Tracking setting. Personally, I prefer that approach.

Personally I prefer the air

Here’s the thing... Those never should have been pack settings. Thank you for bringing unpin on clear to my attention, because I’ll remove it from the pack settings.

Please make them persistent through resets. It's very annoying that I have to disable them every time I reset or reload the variant. If they are user settings, then they should remember what the user set them to.

I'll look into it.

How do you change the size of the map within emotracker

can multiple locations host the same item?

yes

is it possible to make those location mot all disappear at once if one of the location is claimed?

what's the type of the hosted item? is it a toggle?

yes.

then that's intended behaviour. You can only get a toggle item once, so there is no reason to keep the location active if you already have the item

Hey y'all, I'm working on learning some pack dev atm and need a bit of assistance. I figured out setting up just a raw folder in the "packs" directory for testing, and the debug printing is showing up in the dev console when I refresh the tracker so it's loading the scripts. I'm having trouble getting EmoTracker to detect that I'm trying to add autotracker support though, the little robot icon isn't appearing in the bottom right corner. I'm copying the approach from the official LTTPR pack and others with the LUA scripts and enabling the AUTOTRACKER_ENABLE_ITEM_TRACKING and AUTOTRACKER_ENABLE_LOCATION_TRACKING variables, that seems to be the thing that should enable it. Is there something else I'm missing?

do you have the field "platform" in your manifest json?

Oh no I don't, is that the missing piece of the puzzle?

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Ah that does make sense, the autotracking support depends on the platform.

05:32

That wasn't in the pack I was copying as an example just to get started with the layout/map stuff.

05:32

But it doesn't have autotracking support, so that makes sense.

yeah most pack creators forget it/don't know about it

Brilliant, thanks!

Question: Is there any list of the functions available on the Tracker object in LUA scripting? I've found things like FindObjectForCode by looking at the available packs. Specifically I'm looking for a way to switch between maps in the script as part of the autotracking. (edited)

You cannot currently modify layouts via scripting, and the Lua reference at this point is basically other packs, especially my LTTPR pack.

Yeah I figured the other packs would be the main reference for now. That's cool, so basically only changing the item/room statuses via the script?

Correct, and implementing custom logic expressions.

One other question: Is there a property for the current quantity of consumable items in scripts, similar to Active for on/off items and CurrentStage for progressive items? I tried the obvious Quantity but I got "Field or property Quantity does not exist" in the log.

AcquiredCount and MaxCount

Beauty, thanks!

np

Hey again y'all, does anybody happen to know if the SD2SNES connector reads certain banks (mainly SRAM) differently outside of WRAM? I'm looking at some autotracking code from existing packages, and it seems like when accessing SRAM, it needs to use different addresses for SD2SNES vs LUA connectors. I'm not familiar with the details of the USB2SNES driver stuff, but I'm looking at bank $206000 (HiROM SRAM) if that's relevant. The spot has the expected value in LUA, but a different value with SD2SNES... ThinkDorm

ThinkDorm

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Oh dang I think I found it... The usb2snes protocol doc says "SRAM start at 0xE00000"...

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So address 0xe00000 with the SD2SNES connector actually corresponds to ex. 0x206000 with the HiROM SRAM mapping? O_o Cause it's giving me the correct value with the SD2SNES connector when I do that... (edited)

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But it also says "WRAM start at 0xF50000" but it seems like all the bank 0x7e and 0x7f WRAM addresses are fine in both, looking at ex. the official LTTPR autotracker code? (edited)

18:42

Like basically I was looking for specifically 0x206411. It gives the expected value in LUA, but with SD2SNES it looks like I need to use 0xe00411.

Holy shit this is actually it

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I'm also trying to look at the next SRAM bank 0x216000, so that becomes 0xe02000 for the usb2snes connector.

If you are looking at the smz3 pack, it is weird because of the fact that it is exhirom

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By and large, the intent is to allow “native addressing”

18:59

But doing so cross platform requires some beta connectorlib updates I haven’t pulled yet.

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If you look at my lttp pack (and most others) you will notice no such issue.

Yeah, I noticed your LTTP pack is looking only at WRAM so I thought maybe it's because I'm trying to look at SRAM in particular.

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Yeah this looks like a wild ride lol

It’s nothing to do with anything other than exhirom being weird and sucking.

This rabbit hole goes deeper than I thought

But it has to exist because of how smz3 works

I'm learning so much about memory mapping lol

The next time I pull a connectorlib update, we should be getting “full” snes memory mapping support, at least for the standard rom types.

Nice, that sounds like a headache to keep up with so thank you

Technically carts can do whatever they want, but in practice the standards hold up.

Yeah I just tried with both LUA and SD2SNES writing a little conversion function to take an SRAM offset and convert it to the corresponding address depending on the connector in use, it worked for both.

Is there any way to change the size of the squares on the map representing locations? The only way I can see would be to make the map images bigger and change all the coordinates of locations to be on that bigger image, so that the squares would scale down to a smaller size. This would be a lot to do, so I wanted to make sure I'm not overlooking something.

yes, in the same where you define the maps

07:57

try

"location_size" "location_border_thickness"

oh, hmm. I swear I looked through the JSON schemas for something like that

I don't think there is a maps schema yet

aha

08:00

thanks!

yeah maps has very few params, probably why emo hasn't made a schema for that

Question: There's a function autotracker_started() that is called when what it says. Is there a corresponding function like autotracker_stopped() that gets called when you stop the autotracker?

Also huge thank you to you folks answering my questions the last few days! You've been extremely helpful in diving into this mad world of memory mapping.

There's not currently a callback when autotracker is stopped. I can add one in the next release.

Cool, that would be convenient in some corner cases but not a huge priority.

Hey I have one more question before the new year.

I noticed the memory watch callback functions return true/false. Does this return value do anything? My suspicion is if it does do something, returning false would mean it wasn't processed so it will fire again on the next check even if the location in question hasn't changed. (edited)

Your suspicion is correct. Specifically, returning false prevents the internal dirty flag for the memory watch from being cleared.

That's exactly what I was hoping. Have a very happy new year, and thank you for all your work on this great program! ❤️

Happy new year!

Happy New Year everyone! Got a first question for the new decade.

I'm getting an odd error in the dev console when trying to add memory watches... It doesn't happen most of the time, it's inconsistent. Could be when refreshing the tracker and starting autotracking again, or stopping and starting it. (edited)

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It seems like possibly related to the callback functions, but they're all defined so it can't be that right? What else could be a null value?

09:23

But it doesn't seem to be actually affecting the watches. They're all firing as expected...

Defined or not, it could still cause the error. Usually the simplest solution is the right one. Double check the callback functions again to make sure what you're adding in isn't interfering with the function.

09:54

Just from what I see there, if it's not that, could be the .lua file not knowing what to do with the watches

09:54

Which doesn't make sense, but when has coding ever made sense lol

lol true, gonna double check to make sure the callbacks are all returning a boolean...

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They should be but there's a bunch of them and I might've missed one.

10:32

Oh yeah I did find one, so if it's not returning anything...then it's probably null. So that's probably it! (edited)

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Danke schön!

I will look into how the code is handling no return value in that case, and make it report a more useful error in a subsequent version.

Thanks, appreciate all the help! I have a minor under the hood question for reading the memory actually. I see the caching approach used in the official pack so far, nice. Does this imply that only one watch callback will be fired at a time? Like is it basically single-threaded?

yes, it is single-threaded, and watchers are triggered in order of registration as far as I can tell.

Cool, that's what appears to be happening but I wanted to confirm. Good to know!

Any time Lua is invoked in EmoTracker, it is always done effectively single threaded.

A minor layout thing, if anyone knows a working example, is that it is not obvious to me how to make it so I can switch a layout between being horizontal and being vertical without duplicating the data: the examples I find that try to do that don't seem to work.

i mean if parts of the layout are the same for both, like item grids, you can define them on their own and just put them into the differing layouts via key

Right, but you define item grids with 'row' objects, and those rows don't... pivot when I give them different orientations

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eg: { "type": "itemgrid", "h_alignment": "center", "item_margin": "1,2.5", "item_size": 70, "rows": [ [ "crystal", "pass", "hook", "darkness", "earth", "harp" ], [ "sandruby", "package", "baron", "magma", "tower", "luca" ], [ "adamant", "legend", "pan", "spoon", "rat", "pink"] ] }

12:06

putting that in something with orientation vertical or orientation horizontal yields horizontal rows no matter what

yeah no way around that

12:07

since its all defined as rows

12:07

giving that a vertical orientation doesnt turn it into columns

so what does a vertical orientation do?

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or should i not be defining things in rows to begin with?

you can only define them in rows

Not everything supports every property.

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Check the json schemas in the pins (edited)

and i dont think orientation affects itemgrid at all

oho, that's where the schema are, i was earlier looking at autotracker support and not here, so I missed them. thank you

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okay, I see. it's a nesting thing. an array can be vertical or horizontal, but then if you make the elements of the array an item grid, the item grid's just rows

Hi, I'm trying to replace deku sticks/nuts in Rikkukun/Epic Yoshi's MM tracker with skulltula tokens since I will find that much more useful. I'm trying to just remake the existing space (making things called stick, nut, etc.) but if I set the type to consumable and have a max quantity, it just blanks out. Is it because the stick/nut are on a table with other items and not singled out like stray fairies? This is my first time working with overrides so bear with me

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I also found native skulltula support hidden in there but I have no idea how to make it show up on the tracker

you need to change the layout

You need to make sure the item is being referenced in the layout by a code it provides.

if you change the item code, then the layout can't reference the item by its code anymore

I'll try to figure out how to do that

08:50

Alright, it was as simple as replacing nut and stick with skulltula_woodfall and skulltula_greatbay on the layout, so it referenced the hidden support stuff. Was just making it harder than it needed to be

ok all im not sure what im missing. I have made a pack and put it in the packs folder, I have a manefest file with the correct info, when I open Emo Tracker my pack is not shown. what do I need to do to have emo display my pack?

You need to dm her so she can make sure everything is in order with it. Wouldn't expect her to get to it before gdq is over though.

The pack should display in your installed packs. If it's not for a recognized game, it should be filed under other.

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If you zipped up the pack, you should make sure that the manifest is at the root of the archive, not in a folder inside the archive.

21:11

Beyond that, yes, don't expect me to be very responsive until after GDQ.

i will double check everything TY for the responce @EmoSaru @deserteagle417

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Is there a way to put items/chests directly on to a map instead of inside a location? I get that this would remove the capability to track logic for it, but just like put a single chest or toggle down

Not currently. I’d need to know more about the intended use cases to think about the difficulty.

Ah ok. I'm putting together a tracker for Super Metroid Redesign randos, there's 12 Guardians unrelated to the items that are required, mainly I wanted them to appear differently, but also it'd be nice to reduce the number of clicks needed to toggle the large amount of single items involved. It's also entirely possible I don't know what I'm talking about and this would be a silly or difficult idea.

It’s not entirely silly, and thanks for the info. I’ll consider making it possible when I’ve decompressed a bit post-GDQ (edited)

How badly do I suck at this? Let me count the ways.

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For the record, I have no idea what any of this means.

I just went through this pain myself. My recommended tools are: http://jsonviewer.stack.hu/ to format your json back together and https://jsonlint.com/ to see what errors your json has

You also don’t have an init.lua script, which modern packs use

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Please use my LTTP pack as reference for how to use modern pack loading, which is much more flexible

I was

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I'm trying to read a foreign language, here.

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I was also looking at the Z1M1 tracker, since it's closer to what I want to do.

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Don't see a lua script in that one, btw.

That is a very old pack

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When building something new, I expect people to adopt the new conventions

So... in order to figure out what I'm doing, I need to already know what I'm doing, gotcha.

In order to write Lua, I expect you to learn basic lua syntax. There are many online guides

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My sincere belief is that if you learn 30 minutes of basic Lua and then look at my init.lua, you will understand enough of it to as more specific questions

I think the bigger point here was that I had no idea what conventions even existed, much less that they had changed over time, since I'm just diving in blind here. I was having enough of a time figuring out how the json stuff worked without adding lua to the mix, and the Z1M1 tracker made me think it wasn't necessary.

The advice in here is consistently to use my pack as reference for the current conventions.

20:41

You can find useful setups in other packs

20:42

But there’s a reason for the suggestion to use my official LTTP pack as primary reference

@MeleeWizard I ran into most of those issues, and almost all of them are a matter of moving things into folders, as per EmoSaru's LTTP pack, but the actual contents of the files are mostly correct

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(I tried to work off of someone else's older convention pack as well for my FF4FE pack)

01:45

If you want an example of that refactor, I can give you my FF4FE pack ZIP directly (haven't had it time to run it by EmoSaru because of AGDQ) and you can compare it to Jaysee's pack which is currently downloadable

01:51

It has a lot less LUA than the LTTP pack too, so it'll be more obvious what maybe you don't need for yours.

My project boils down to a simple Pokemon rando type tracker. No maps, no logic or anything like that, just 151 sets of progressive toggles. The more I think about it, the more I realize the tracker would likely need a scroll bar (especially if I want to do other gens), and I don't remember seeing one in the layout schema. I'll probably take a closer look at it another time.

there is no scroll bar

Yeah, I can see this thing taking up a huge amount of screen space to do what I want it to do.

10:12

I was mostly thinking about doing this as an alternative to using a spreadsheet or something.

Yeah, the problem with a spreadsheet for me is its lack of clickability

10:19

You can make the mons small. You could segment them up.

10:20

Anyway, FF4FE is also a no-maps pure-items style tracker, so like I said, if you want to see a simpler project and how I took it from old style to new style, I can shoot that to you this evening. If you're not off it, anyway.

I'll probably just go the spreadsheet/database route. This way, I can go ahead and set up all the gens I have access to and make filters to leave off what I don't need at any given time.

10:24

Besides, tedious data entry is an on-again-off-again hobby of mine.

ha

I am not opposed to adding a scrollable region layout element for things like this, although I would absolutely discourage their use for most trackers.

All I want is to make recent pins scrollable, since that is one element pack devs have no way to know how much space the end user actually needs. You pin hoarders know who you are (edited)

I'd think that tabbable elements would be more useful than scrollable ones

It depends on the context. We already have tabs, but not good way to partition pins (whether that's even advisable). Scrolling is reasonable for me to add, and so I will

nod

So we built a pack while we were at AGDQ https://github.com/StormRiderGaming/emotracker-pokemon-red-blue-key-item

StormRiderGaming/emotracker-pokemon-red-blue-key-item

EmoTracker module for Pokémon Red/Blue Key Item Randomizer - StormRiderGaming/emotracker-pokemon-red-blue-key-item

:O

Can confirm, it works well

@StormRider if you're like to release it on the package manager for other users, DM me and I'll get you started.

I set up a github for a pack I built for FF4 Free Enterprise w/Autotracking https://github.com/michael-simon/emotracker-ff4-fe-key-items-autotracker/releases

michael-simon/emotracker-ff4-fe-key-items-autotracker

Contribute to michael-simon/emotracker-ff4-fe-key-items-autotracker development by creating an account on GitHub.

How do I add Heart Containers/Pieces to the Ninban & Gilgatex SM+LTTP v10.2 Item Tracker?

I've been thinking about that "toggles on the map" feature I mentioned/requested earlier. At least for my purposes, I think the best way it could be put together would be to add toggle items that are normally in trackers into locations. They'd show up on the map as the same image as they would on the tracker. Then I could put static tracked things like bosses and guardians on both the map and the tracker. Additionally it'd allow for items that aren't checks to be toggled on the map (like if you opened up a permanent gate, you could create a toggle item that's the gate icon open/closed). Obviously kind of a big feature to ask but I figure'd I'd at least detail my thoughts on it

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I’ve brought up the idea of custom location icons before. I think consistency was a question for user interface experience. Maybe allow it with restrictions? Maybe for map points that can’t have a number of “chests/collectibles” in it?

My use case is items that need collecting but aren't randomized - it's just there's 13 required goals that you need to get to at some point at set locations. The map is complex enough that anyone doing a redesign rando is likely going to want them on the map as well as the tracker. Single chest locations on the map aren't a problem really

The version I have in mind is a bit more comprehensive than this, but will cover this use for sure. It’ll happen in an upcoming version.

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"min_height" does not seem to work for auto scaling maps. Bug or intended behaviour?

Maps always scale to fit their available space

11:10

When you adjust min_height on a map, you are not controlling the size of the map itself

11:10

you are controlling the size of the container element for the maps

it works for max_height though?

11:12

max_height limits the auto scaling to the boundary set by max_height, so I would have assumed that min_height would do the same for the minimum boundary

Ah, wait

11:12

There is a bug

11:12

I will fix this

11:18

fixed

Also, I don't know if this is related, but using a combination of dock, scroll and min_height won't work. I have a recentpins element docked to the bottom that can grow by itself and shrink the map that gets the rest of the free space on top of the recentpins. I wanted to add min_height to the map, to constrain the recentpins element from growing too big and have a scrollbar appear in that case. Don't know if its the fault of the bugged min_height attribute or just the combination not being valid as a constraint for scoll

min_height was just broken. Please try after updating.

okay, map scaling works as expected now

11:23

But I fear dock and scroll seem to be mutually exlusive

when doing dynamic layout, things get complicatred

11:23

it's not that they're mutually exclusive

11:23

it's just less intuitive

11:24

I recommend constraining the max height of the scroll element you're wrapping your pins in

11:24

or just setting height to a fixed value outright

The problem with max_height is that I don't know the screen/window size of the user

yeah, there's no good way to solve the problem you're after without the ability to do dynamic measurement/ui modifications and I can't give you that right now (edited)

11:25

so I'm telling you what you CAN do to make it sane on most setups

11:26

for example, if pins are adjacent to an items group that has a natural height

11:27

constraining to that height will make things look nice and sensible regardless of display size

that is true. I just hoped I could hit jackpot by combining those elements, stretching their use far beyond what is reasonably expectable. (edited)

Is there any evaluation I can put in item locations? Probably a no, just thinking of:

"map_locations": [ { "map": "crateriamap", "x": 1807, "y": 440 }, { "map": "full_map", "x": 1807 + OFFSET VARIABLE, "y": 440 + OFFSET VARIABLE }, ]

to save up on some time text editing

no

How do I add Heart Containers/Pieces to the Ninban & Gilgatex SM+LTTP v10.2 Item Tracker?

I just got into working with the Emo Tracker and so far, I am really liking it. Just enough is exposed so people can really customize things.

20:04

Really awesome.

20:05

So that leads me with a question: Is there a way to get the chests to be an "item" persay.

20:05

Other trackers have things such as

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20:05

An easy visual where the chests are linked to the bosses and modify the map.

20:06

Is there a way to get an item image linked to the item count that each dungeon has so we may place those in the item list?

20:06

Right now, I was doing a mockup, (it's wrong in terms of chest, etc

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20:07

But the idea is if the user clicks the chest, it will update the item count for the corresponding dungeon.

20:07

So, this leads to a few things: Is this currently possible? And if not, could the support be added?

20:08

I am a software engineer dude so if time is a concern, I could possible assist. Thanks again for the great product!

20:10

Also, I hope this is the right place to post this

You can make the chests there a consumable item, one for each dungeon, then instead of putting a chest count on each dungeon, just host the chest item at each dungeon location

21:21

It'll look like the crystal requirement and Ganon requirement

21:22

So a number for the remaining chests instead of the picture.

21:25

If you want it to work like the chests in the tracker you posted, it might be possible to make a progressive item where you put the custom image of the number of chests at every stage and host that item

21:30

Well not quite that second one because it would dismiss the location after one chest click... But maybe something like it

I'll have to look more into that. Will reference the crystal requirement stuff for now. Thanks!

That one should work for sure. To reference a hosted item, you can look at aga in Castle Tower (in case you needed that)

So, I've figured out how to get a hosted item to be linked to the dungeon. However, the issue is that I can't get the dungeon status to be the correct color. If I create a hosted item and set quantity to 0/3 for lets say Eastern Palace, it will be the correct color until I hit a chest. If I set it as 3/3, it will be red until I click the chest 3 items, thus it appearing "disabled" on the items bar.

22:20

I want the exact functionality that the "item_count" has for these dungeons.

22:22

Not sure if there is any additional attributes I can add to the thing. All I've seen are consumable, progressive, toggle, and progressive_toggle

22:27

The Hosted items seem to always be affecting the access requirements.

Side note, by creating a hosted item, wouldn'

22:45

t that break auto-tracker functionality?

22:47

I suppose one could create some custom auto-tracker code for the hosted item as well.

Sorry if I'm spamming this channel, just posting my thoughts/findings. So looks like hosted item behavior is a no-go. If any chests are not consumed, the location will remain green. It only turns green when all chests are "consumed" since it is considering them as a requirement. So host_item of 3 chests means the area "requires" 3 chests in order to be considered available. The chest behavior is different in that a location will remain green until all chests have been consumed. The chests cannot cause a location to go red (unless all chests are consumed but the boss isn't killable).

23:39

Without some other configuration that is unique, it looks like that functionality would have to be added.

23:44

We know that item_count is a special variable used by the program to handle generating the chests from the pinned locations. We also know there is some special "Pinned Locations" logic that uses this variable to generate chests that we can poke as well as determine whether an area is complete.

23:46

So I am guessing a request would have to be made to add the ability to access these chests elsewhere such as the items can be. That way specific gui can be made and added to the "broadcast.json" file.

Hmm... I guess I didn't think that though carefully enough, sorry. I know Jaysee's OWG pack has something like the kind of counter that you're looking for. Perhaps try looking at that for inspiration? I'd try to help more, but I'm away from my PC so can't look now. The auto-tracker doesn't track inside of dungeons anyway, so I don't think there should be issues.

That's good to know! Thanks for the info and no worries.

00:24

That actually should come in handy quite a bit referencing that. I had looked at couple but not that one.

So that is closer to what I want, but not quite there. The chests are tacked on as a required item, but not quite.

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00:40

But, I think that is honestly fine. Thanks again for the input and direction to look.

I literally just added this in the last version.

01:44

Check the JSON schemas.

Where can I locate the json schemas?

They are in the pins of this channel

Cheers, thanks.

Also FYI, the latest version of my pack, which I'll be pushing in a bit, includes chest items already created for all the dungeons.

02:15

You'd just have to add them to your layout.

Oh, sweet. I just have been modifying your pack, so bringing in any changes would be easy peasy.

02:17

For the most part, it's the same, just minor differences.

02:17

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02:17

By the way, I really like the work you've done on this. Good job!

02:19

Anyways, going to hit the hay. Looking forward to seeing the update.

Question: I'm taking over managing an existing package and trying to update it to use the new package structure based on the LTTPR pack. I moved the items, maps, locations, and layouts JSON files into their own directories and added the loading of them to the init.lua script, but it looks like it's still trying to load the legacy settings for some reason. I'm still seeing Loading legacy package settings from tracker_layout.json in the console even though this file no longer exists (which is why I'm getting an error from it), as well as legacy layout data and legacy broadcast layout data. I do see the loading from the script happening as well, but it's not displaying anything presumably because of the errors loading the legacy files. (edited)

09:35

Shouldn't it not be doing this now, or is this because it's an existing package which EmoTracker has a manifest for already?

Aha, never mind I figured it out! The layout structure is also slightly different and needs to be updated. I presume it was fooling EmoTracker into thinking it was a legacy package. (edited)

Glad ya figured it out.

11:57

Is there a way to get the background of the broadcast view to show up as invisible when used as an overlay on obs?

Nevermind, I got it.

12:11

Ended up making a chroma key filter and set the background as a fairly unique color.

NDI plugin

^^highly recommend this

hey all I have been messing around creating an alttpr entrance rando pack. I have figured out how to add items to item grid within the notes section of the pinned locations IE the items you select and then they will display when you mouse over the location. Is there something I can change in the LUA to have these just display all the time? along the same lines is there a way to have the notes shown in a section of the pinned location?

No.

ok ty

Does anyone know how to add LTTPR autotracking support into a pack you're developing? I got it to load the script it seems, but the icon doesn't show up in the lower right

01:12

IDK if this is the right channel lol

You also need to make sure the platform is set in the pack's manifest.

01:20

You can see an example in my pack.

Thanks, I missed that in the manifest

is there a way to track heart pieces for OOT randomizers?

Emo: Is there a design reason to stay away from splitting different layout elements into different files and referencing by ”type”:”layout”,”key”:”keyname” to promote modularity for user overrides?

14:07

I’ve seen different styles of development in the packs and I’m just curious if it’s an active decision.

you can already split layouts into multiple files

14:43

and reference by keys

14:43

so I'm not sure what you're suggesting here

14:43

my pack does it

14:43

so do some others

Ahh, ok. I may need to look again. That answers my question. :D

(mike are those smart quotes ew)

14:44

"

Blame my iPhone keyboard.

I'm going to blame whoever decided we needed "smart" quotes

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Is the best method for starting to work on a new tracker to copy an old one and go from there? If so how do you get the darn thing to show up on the Installed Packages list?

Yeah. Look at a pack that is similar to what you want to do and go from there. Emo’s lttp pack is the main source of reference. You can put an unzipped folder into the packs folder of emotracker to get it to show up

Oh nice! Thanks Cubesolver. tokyosLonk

tokyosLonk

Is there a way to force icons to become a certain size? I am not super familiar with JSON so any tips / sites to learn would be great.

you can check the documents in the pins

Shucks I always overlook pins lol. Thanks Blasteg aqyComf

aqyComf

np, pins are like the sidebars, overlooking is the norm

Is there a way to do something like "If a location is available, claim it automatically"?

What do you mean claim?

check it

17:48

something like, whenever you got boots, tracker consider bonk rock is checked.

No and doing so would kinda defeat the purpose

It would be a hack for the good ol' Entrance, so yeah, I don't epect it to be doable. thanks

Is there a way to use iterating numbers without making multiple sprites for it?

Depends, where do want to display iterating numbers?

11:53

But it sounds like you want to use a consumable item

Consumable items are probably the best way, but you can also overlay a separate image over the item's main image. I used that for my OoT item tracker so I could use the same number images for multiple items.

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nice idea. BTW, is there a list of valid img_mods somewhere?

I thought I had it listed somewhere in the schemas, but apparently I don't. I will figure out a place to put it, but here is the current list... (edited)

10:09

Valid Image Filters/Mods

grayscale - makes things grayscale dim (legacy) - reduces brightness by 50% halfdim (legacy) - reduces brightness by 25% quarterdim (legacy) - reduces brightness by 12.5% brightness|percentage - Multiplies brightness by a specified factor. Ex. brightness|0.25 reduces brightness by 75% overlay|image_path - Applies the specified image path as an overlay. Overlay image must be same size as base image. Ex. overlay|images/checkmark.png saturation|percentage|(optional)mode - Adjusts the saturation of the image to a percentage between [0,1]. An optional luminance mode can be specified. Valid values are [avg, max, red, blue, green, bt601, bt709]. The default is avg. @disabled - Applies the default image filter for "disabled" states in the current context Filters can be applied in sequence by using a comma-separated list, and they apply in the order specified. Ex. "grayscale,brightness|0.5"

(edited)

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Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

Pinned a message.

Does this tracker have functionality for dropdown menus?

no

12:32

but you can use popups to imitate something similar

hm...

Describe your use case please

Well I'm not sure what to do yet.

12:36

The original idea was to add the ability to list Pokemon in my party, pc, and graveyard through dropdown lists.

I mean that's not impossible to do, but a lot more difficult that what's typical of this tracker

But if that's too complicated for this program the alternate idea would be to just list all 151 available 'mons in a list and then toggle through the potential options through clicks

I guess my thought is that what you’re trying to do is kinda “out of band” for what trackers like this generally do

12:38

That’s potentially a LOT of Pokémon to track

12:38

In variable sized lists

That could be solved -with sprites even - by putting them in layout with an itemgrid with "pokemon items" and then a capture item.

Etc

BTW, Emo, are there any plans to add a capture layout element?

And presenting it in a way that’s useful is even tougher

12:39

Yes there are

12:39

It throws some wrenches in the works, but it will happen

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12:39

Save/load is actually the biggest hurdle, FYI

12:40

Because UI elements don’t save right now

12:40

Since they have no data that isn’t driven by other stuff

12:41

There are a few ways to handle it, and I’m debating between them

So you would need to program a dummy object that gets added on loading a layout with the capture?

Some are more convenient for me, some for you

but then, how would the dummy be correctly associated... hm....

See what I just said

12:42

I’m thinking about it

Could also make the layout element have a mandatory code (which would allow it to be handled in lua, for bonus points) (edited)

I'm thinking about a lot of stuff

12:45

That's why it's not already out

No worries, I'm just thinking aloud and shooting ideas into the wind. Don't let it bother you and disuade you from your own ideas.

It's almost adorable that you think that's possible.

does this program support drag-and-drop icons?

Not currently, no.

nuts

There's a point where you may need to consider building a custom application if you want to do particularly bespoke things.

yeah

EmoTracker is good at building a certain type of thing, and offers a fair amount of flexibility in that space.

14:33

But it's not a generic application development platform.

True, but I wanted to ask before I ran off and coded my own thing.

14:50

One more question, just to make sure: toggle icons only have two states, correct?

14:51

(and then a counter for consumable items)

fyi, this is ehat emo is trying to avoid: https://exceptionnotfound.net/the-inner-platform-effect-the-daily-software-anti-pattern/

The Inner-Platform Effect

The Inner-Platform Effect occurs when a generic system is built that reflects the platform it was build with. The solution is simple: probing.

toggle type items have two states

15:04

there are progressive_toggle items that have an on/off state but also a secondary state that dictates what they display and what they provide

15:04

there are lots of item types

15:04

which are described in the JSON schemas in the pinned messages, per the channel topic

15:05

you can also implement custom items that respond directly to left and right mouse clicks in lua

15:05

but again, some of the things you're asking for are not currently supported in any fashion

what's the difference between "progressive" and "progressive_toggle"?

progressive items advance through stages, and provide codes based on the current stage

15:42

progressive_toggle items advance through stages, determining what code(s) they WILL provide when the toggle state is on

so if I don't want to it to be ever off, I should use progressive instead of progressive toggle

most likely, yes

You can use the progressive type and set allow_disabled to false

16:57

If you want it to have stages but never be off, ex. the tunic/armor in LTTP.

got my idea to work, sort of, but it's sort of clunky - i can set up each pokemon as a progressive sprite and toggle back and forth between various states; this won't look too awful in gen 1 with 151 mons but if I want to make it look exactly the way I want it's probably better to program my own thing

151 progressive stages?

19:56

Gross

concern

you can probably machine generate those tbh

you can't machine click through them though

true that

no, not 151 progressive stages

11:44

151 sprites with 5 stages each (not toggled, toggled, in party, in pc, dead)

concern intensifies

eh, it's basically a single progressive_toggle machine-generated 150 more times

Someone made something like that already as a website

12:05

https://pco.bobchao87.com

PokedexCounterOnline

A highly customizable Pokédex/Pokémon tracker and counter useful for speedruns or whatever you need.

12:07

It’s a 4 stage one that offers the ability to have different gens and preset dexes from each region

12:07

@OCD Perfectionist Nitpicker

god, that font

It's not quite what I was looking to build (edited)

12:10

This is definitely the wrong program for what I had in mind originally but that's okay

This is probably also the wrong program to put in a variable Job tree...

hey guys, just curious if anyone knows the best way to chroma key the tracker? i am using the one for OOt by hamsda and the items and all look great but id love to take away the gray background and add my own background for stream if possible

Are you using OBS?

yes

After you've captured a game/window you can add any number of filters to it, two of which are two different kinds of chroma key (I'm not sure what the difference in each is, try both and see which you prefer).

You need to install the NDI plugin for OBS

The NDI plugin allows you to bypass the need for chroma/colorkeying the tracker, because the broadcast view's NDI output respects alpha transparency

How does visibility rules work?

11:37

It seems like half the time it does what its supposed to the other half its like its not there at all

You would have to supply more information for us to understand your issue

if you are asking about 'restrict visibility', it restricts the location to be visible only if the conditions are met.

11:58

if you want it to not be visible on a condition, then you have to use 'force invisible'

Sorry about that, after experimenting, I figured out the issue

12:04

@EmoSaru I can't seem to apply visibility rules to a group of checks, only individual checks. Is there a way to fix that or am I doing something wrong or what

Visibility rules are not inherited, largely because they are incredibly destructive and it can be difficult to diagnose unexpected disappearances/appearances.

12:06

What is your use case where applying them in that way is important to you?

12:07

Actually wait I just realized

12:08

By "group of checks"

12:08

do you mean, "location"?

12:08

because no, they apply to sections and map locations (edited)

12:08

as per the JSON schemas

I don't know all these fancy terms

The fancy terms are all described in the JSON schemas, in the topic and the pins of the this channel.

I'm working on a tracker for MMr, and I'm trying to add visibilty rules for whether or not you have settings turned on, in this case stray fairies. They're all grouped under one location and it would be so much more convenient if I could just set the location as a whole to be only visible if the setting to shuffle them is on instead of having to individually put it on all 60 locations

"Grouped under one location" is what you're going to have to describe to me more

12:10

Like, please copy/paste JSON

it's too big

pastebin?

https://pastebin.com/903LAqAF

{ "name": "Woodfall Temple Stray Fairies", "short_name":...

12:12

all I want is to set a visibilty rule under { "name": "Woodfall Temple Stray Fairies", "short_name": "Woodfall Fairies", "parent": "Poison Swamp Area", "access_rules": [ "ocarina,sonata,deku,fairy_yes" ], without having to set individually for all of them

12:12

also I said 60 because I have to do this four times

okay

12:15

so then

12:15

per the json schemas

12:15

set it on the map_locations entry for the whole location

12:15

using restrict_visibility_rules

12:16

visibility rules are effectively settable on sections, to filter those within a location, and on map locations, to control the visibility of that particular square on the map

12:16

the schemas are your friend

12:16

plz be their friend

I don't even know what a schema is

they're the things visibly linked in the channel topic and pinned messages

12:17

which describe the available properties for the various types of things

12:17

that you're currently editing JSON to create

Question, is it possible to overlay a disabled icon on an non-disabled icon.

15:04

because if you overlat then disable, you disable filter both

filters apply in the order they're specified

15:16

it is not currently possible to apply a filter specifically to the image specified as the parameter in the overlay filter (edited)

OK, thanks

so say, I want to "Hide" a grid, as in, have it loaded so

Tracker:FindObjectForCode

works, but not have it visible to save space

07:05

What is the best way to achieve that?

FindObjectForCode always works, no need to have it in a grid

07:06

As long as it's defined in a loaded items.json, it will pick up on its codes

I have the item defined in setting.json, and loaded it first in init.lua, but the utem is hidden, so it's not on any layout

07:16

This appears when I try to Tracker:FindObjectForCode it

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07:17

or more psecifically,

Tracker:FindObjectForCode("ItemCode").Active=true

07:17

the same code works for an item that exist on layout

you have an item defined in setting.json?

07:34

can you pastebin your init.lua and setting.json

that sounds like you might be using an item code for something that just doesn't have Active as a property, like a consumable. pretty sure if the item code wouldnt be found you'd get an exception about referencing a property of nil just to make sure, you can save the result of FindObjectForCode in a variable and check for its truthiness first

Is there a clean way to have itemgrids in multiple variants of the tracker without duplicating anything? (edited)

Check the json schemas. You can do layout references, and just load shared layouts in a file not under a variant.

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sorry, went right to sleep after that last night. I'll pastebin it real quick

I had checked pins in all of the channels but I guess I had missed this one. Thanks for the heads up on the schemas.

14:23

I am struggling with a composite item though. Right clicking and left clicking activate the two elements that are linked to the composite item however unless both right=left=true the composite item does not activate or swap.

Did you specify images for the various combinations?

I was about to say yes and then I realized I typod the two intermediate's file names <.<. Haha ty for the feedback because it helped me find it

Hi, I'm working on the Super Mario 64 Randomizer Tracker, and I am having some difficulties. I seem to have lost my display. I'm sure its a simple mistake somewhere. Is there a particular mistake I should be looking for that would cause this? (edited)

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First thing to do is always to check your json using a lint’ing editor

10:53

Malformed json is a fast path to this

10:53

You might also find an error if you open the developer console

I'm using Notepad++ to write JSON. Might not be the best idea...

I very genuinely recommend visual studio code

Alright. Thanks for the help.

11:01

It seems to be telling me that I don't have a [ when I do?

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That checker might not support comments

Ah

I recommend visual studio code because its built in validation supports the right stuff

Ok.

Also, highly recommend you use the Developer Console in EmoTracker and check for error messages

Visual Studio Code doesn't like comments either

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you need to chose json with comments as filetype

ah, ok

11:08

umm developer console says my files are empty???

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11:10

Ohhhhh. I see where I made a mistake...

11:11

Success!

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11:11

(now I see the other errors I made)

though I'm not sure why Rainbow Ride is off to the left...

And its gone again...

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11:39

This time there are no errors in Dev console...

Did you get VSCode as suggested?

Yes.

Did you change the file type to JSON & Comments in the lower right?

I did

How many lines in the file that’s likely causing the issue?

11:42

Tens? Hundreds? Thousands? I’m on my phone atm and have a small screen.

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11:43

This is out of all my jsons

There you go. Nuke those ~~troubling~~ trailing commas. (Which also happen to be troubling in this case.) (edited)

So none of these should have commas?

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Correct. The last element in an object should not have a comma.

a comma says "but wait, there's more!"

11:45

when there isn't more, you have a problem,

You may also have an option to Format Document from the context menu that should theoretically increase readability.

Hmmm. That didn't seem to fix it.

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Do you have all your json documents open so that VSCode can validate all of them?

yes

I’ve found that sometimes you need to save them and move the text cursor around for it to update. Might just be on my machine though.

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